Morrowind Vs Skyrim

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:55 pm

As Skyrim was just recently released, the Modding around here seems to have slowed down within the past month or so. But really, who are we kidding, playing around Skyrim, in hopes of a glorious adventure. Morrowind churns out 10x the amount of playtime, as any modder could surely tell you. Although minimal graphics, and limited gameplay bring Morrowind down, the amount of effort put into the world give it a 10/10 in my books. Skyrim's good graphics and advanced features are all well and fine, but it cannot compete with everything that has been put into Morrowind, especially all the work that's being crammed into it around here. As Bethesda said, "We will not be doing a full scale Tamriel game again" TR says: "Screw That!"

Scamp · Post by **Scamp** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:39 pm

I have to highly disagree. You should not compare these two games. With Morrowind being released about 10 years ago, it's a totally different division in the first place.
(Besides, Skyrim is an amazing game)
And don't say "Skyrim's High res graphics". The textures are ridiculous and barely an improvement over what we have seen in Oblivion. Skyrim's graphics, however, are fantastic due to the shaders.

Mwgek · Post by **Mwgek** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:59 pm

I laughed in skyrim at the simplicity of the models. Flat doors and walls with bumpmapped texture on them to compensate something. When you walk close to the doors, you think that you are back in morrowind. And even there they didn't make flat doors lol.

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:59 pm

Yeah, i guess they shouldnt be compared, as they are both two totally different Gens really, but i still think morrowind whoops ass.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 am

Frankly, Oblivion and Skyrim are like all other sequels. Sequels always suck.

Beyond that, I've only played Oblivion a bit because the Graphics, Controls, Menus, and other things made me utterly sick at how they were done. Its a great game, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't done with the quality and dedication that Morrowind was done at. I'm sure since Skyrim is very similar to Oblivion in many ways that its the same way.

I agree with the fact that they're hard to compare being released so far apart, and that its even harder since they are in the same series but I'm going to list off the things Morrowind has better than Skyrim and Oblivion just so I can have a reason to compile an amazingly large post.

1. Simple graphics, nothing way over the top and "poofy" as I refer to it. The NPC's and other things in Oblivion looked too plastic-y to me and didn't look as real as the people in Morrowind did, and the graphics in Oblivion on a lot of other things looked too plastic to me too.

2. Easy controls. Morrowind didn't have all the "press and hold and then drag and drop" or however it works when you drop an item. On the Xbox all you had to do was hit like one button when your in your inventory and just start dropping like nuts. On the PC all you had to do was drag and just drop. On Oblivion you have to like click and hold and then drag around to where you wanna drop and let go of the mouse, it seems complicated to me.

3. Ease of access for spells, weapons, etc. In Morrowind when you right clicked(the standard control) you opened a bunch of menu windows for magic, the map, the inventory, and the skills. There wasn't a "click on this button to open this" or w/e, you had them all open simultaneously. In the inventory, spellbook, etc you also could see a lot more itemes/spells at one time than in Oblivion.

(I missed a lot of things, but that is just what jumps out to me)

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:46 am

You can't compare the two since Morrowind was a PC game and Skyrim is a console game.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:00 am

TheUnending wrote:Frankly, Oblivion and Skyrim are like all other sequels. Sequels always suck.

Then what the heck is TESIII: Morrowind?

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:34 am

maybe Morrowind will be remastered for ps3 and 360..........
In skyrim maybe? I would love to troll fargoth on the ps3

Myzel · Post by **Myzel** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:23 pm

TheUnending wrote: 1. Simple graphics, nothing way over the top and "poofy" as I refer to it. The NPC's and other things in Oblivion looked too plastic-y to me and didn't look as real as the people in Morrowind did, and the graphics in Oblivion on a lot of other things looked too plastic to me too.

What? The people of Morrowind looked real to you?
All the body, clothes and face mods that spawned into existence to make that shit look decent weren't entirely for nothing, I think.

Those pro's you list are are all curiously related to those aspects which are most often described as Morrowind's weaknesses, so I'm not sure if you're joking or if it's just a weird personal preference of yours.

Morrowind's graphics were ok at the time it came out, but it's gameplay system was already outdated. A dreadfully simple point and click combat system. An utterly unbalanced class and leveling system. The simplicity of most of it's quests.
There are many redeeming factors that make it a great game, obviously. Mostly though, I always say I love that game like many people love their first car. Technically it's a wreck, but it has character and has become special because of all the experiences I have had with it. So there's really no need to rationalize it.

I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I've heard it is better than oblivion, aesthetically.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:37 pm

Myzel wrote: I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I've heard it is better than oblivion, aesthetically.

In every way.

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:37 pm

i totally agree, morrowind is almost as simple as it gets. and comparing these two is like comparing system shock and bioshock.

and yes, oblivions people almost look like claymation.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:44 pm

Haplo wrote:
Myzel wrote: I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I've heard it is better than oblivion, aesthetically.
In every way.

I dunno, I think the guilds in Skyrim are somehow worse than in oblivion.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:49 pm

your misconception, TF, lies in thinking that they are guilds. They aren't. They're just set up as factions, which by their very design won't be as cool or fun or involved as actual guilds

Mwgek · Post by **Mwgek** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:50 pm

I still need to make a character to finish the main quest with. But gameplay wise skyrim is super. Great feeling when you walk the plains and mountains. The sound of a dragon falling down from the sky is just awesome. Just the graphics department feels like they are on an updated oblivion level.

Scamp · Post by **Scamp** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:58 pm

TheUnending wrote:Frankly, Oblivion and Skyrim are like all other sequels. Sequels always suck.

I understand people saying Morrowind is better than Skyrim, but saying it "sucks" is just plain ignorant o.0
Not even Oblivion sucks.

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:20 pm

don't get me wrong, skyrim and oblivion are both great games, but they lack the "wonder" of morrowind.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:47 pm

Haplo wrote:You can't compare the two since Morrowind was a PC game and Skyrim is a console game.

...

Erm, Haplo... I hope your joking because both Morrowind and Skyrim are available for console and pc...

Frankly, they can be compared just not easily.

Morrowind is better than Skyrim and Oblivion... Oblivion and Skyrim are still good, don't get me wrong, but they aren't nearly as good as Morrowind.

Mwgek · Post by **Mwgek** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:59 pm

The thing is that Oblivion and Skyrim are based to play on a console and are ported to PC. Morrowind is based on PC and ported to a console. That's why the menu in MW is so extended compared to the latter games which have more slide menus.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:17 am

^-- OOOOH! Thats what you mean!!

Well, honestly that doesn't affect much except, like you said, the menu so they can still be compared. The only reason its hard to compare them is the fact that they were made years apart.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:21 am

Being ported from console to PC doesn't affect only the menu but the whole U.I. I like Skyrim a lot but the feeling that you're fighting a losing struggle with the interface ruins some of it's coolness. On the bright side the quests are better.

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:11 pm

I have To Say, Skyrim is much better on the PC, considering mods, and creation. But It requires a helluva lot to run though.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:37 am

Well, I haven't played Skyrim yet myself, but I know it does require a lot. I already have a job lined up for this summer so I started looking at laptops and I found that its extremely hard to find a laptop under 500 dollars(before taxes) that will actually run Skyrim.

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:07 am

I almost got skyrim to run on my 7-year old ati mobility radeon 9000x, but it could not render, even with all my tweaks.It was close though.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:15 pm

The laptop I was looking at(a Sony VAIO) that cost a little over 400 dollars had a AMD Mobility Radeon HD 4250 graphics chip/card in it and I looked on UESP wiki at the list of graphics cards that will run Skyrim and it said that that card would run it on low.

So I don't know, I might look for one with a better chip/card or I might just settle with this one with a decently good chip/card.

Mortimer · Post by **Mortimer** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:13 pm

Build a desktop

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:02 pm

I would, but I don't have enough money to build a desktop with high gaming performance...

Mortimer · Post by **Mortimer** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:42 pm

But a laptop with the same performance is nearly double the cost.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:28 pm

Most desktops don't have wireless internet built in, they aren't mobile, and they take up quite a bit of space, so I don't know what I'm going to do quite yet...

Hayabusa153 · Post by **Hayabusa153** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:01 pm

XD XD XD

My $500 4 yr old laptop will play SKYRIM on HIGH!!!!!!!!!

Toshiba is good to me sometimes

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:37 pm

Ha! I'm paying 50$ for a hardly used HP laptop that will run Skyrim on MEDIUM! Actually, used sucks, it's a close friend that's selling it to me. I would never buy a used computer.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:37 pm

Dude, do you think that this laptop will run Skyrim and on what level of graphics?

LINK: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Toshiba-Blue-15.6-Satellite-L755D-S5204-Laptop-PC-with-AMD-Quad-Core-A6-3400M-Processor-and-Windows-7-Home-Premium/16652446?findingMethod=rr

(Also sorry if I'm not supposed to post urls/links on here, just wanted some advice)

Mortimer · Post by **Mortimer** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:52 am

Lowish Medium
[url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111222053008AAnWvHW[/url]

I'm telling you, buy a damn desktop. You can run barebones for less than 300. You can get nearly double the performance that laptop gives for the same price (500-550). Buy a wireless card on top of that for like $10, that's it. Remember - laptops you can't upgrade, desktops you can.

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:02 am

Also, dude, I looked into getting a desktop on Walmart.com but the ones I've found for the same exactly price don't have cards that will even play Skyrim on Low or will just barely play them on low...

Oh and just in-case its needed in the future UESP Wiki has a list of graphics cards that will run Skyrim and they have another list for Oblivion.

Oblivion:http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:System_Requirements

Skyrim: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:System_Requirements

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:13 am

wait, people actually buy computers from walmart?

TheUnending · Post by **TheUnending** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:24 pm

I don't but I mean that is the first place I look at computers... If I like a specific brand I usually go to their website and see what prices are and such...

Q: Will we be seeing a Dark Brotherhood presence in Tamriel Rebuilt's maps? I know in the Morag Tong quests its kind-of hinted at that they have a stronger presence on the mainland, and its said several times at the beginning of the Tribunal main quest that they do aswell, but will we be seeing Dark Brotherhood bases/hideouts and a large presence in maps 3 & 4?

The_N00b · Post by **The_N00b** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:20 am

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:
Haplo wrote:
Myzel wrote: I haven't played Skyrim yet, but I've heard it is better than oblivion, aesthetically.
In every way.
I dunno, I think the guilds in Skyrim are somehow worse than in oblivion.

The College of Winterhold Quests are a shitstain on everything this series stands for.

Other than that, Skyrim is a really great game. The atmosphere of the envinronment is more compelling than any game in the series put together, and the addition of concepts that haven't seen the light of day since Daggerfall (ie; radiant quests, regional bounties) makes it a good addition to the series, and a great enhancement of everything Oblivion got wrong.

Of course, the simplification of the skills system could have been tackled another way.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:00 am

In my humble opinion Skyrim ranks third amongst the 5 games, with the full rankings being

I Morrowind
II Daggerfall
III Skyrim
IV Arena (Haven't really played that one much, due to not getting used to the controls)
V Oblivion

But that is just me being silly.

OldFashionedGuy · Post by **OldFashionedGuy** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:20 am

Skyrim and Oblivion in my opinion are nothing compared to Morrowind. Skyrim's quests lines are incredibly short, there is no detailed journal like Morrowind as all the quests have arrows telling you exactly where to go, which means no need for npc's to give you directions and let you find where to go. Totally ruins immersion for me, will stick to Morrowind!

provak_64 · Post by **provak_64** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:55 am

Amen!

Mwgek · Post by **Mwgek** » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:48 pm

OldFashionedGuy wrote:Skyrim and Oblivion in my opinion are nothing compared to Morrowind. Skyrim's quests lines are incredibly short, there is no detailed journal like Morrowind as all the quests have arrows telling you exactly where to go, which means no need for npc's to give you directions and let you find where to go. Totally ruins immersion for me, will stick to Morrowind!

Just logged in to say amen on the arrow thing too. They must think Skyrim players are a bunch of morons.

Let's take on a quest to adventure and search dungeons.... "enters cave and walk through the cave on the minimap" ow there is the book I'm looking for... "walks back to the entrance on the minimap"....fast travel back.

Hate that and the fact I can't turn it off?

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