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theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:32 pm

Im confused. The interior blackbird created isn't the one Haplo described. Instead it is the building which is currently on the place of number 3 in the Triffith Sandil local map. That building looks more like a tower. It looks like blackbird made a duplicate as his interior isn't the one Haplo mentioned. So, if this claim is a tavern-like building in the northwest of Triffith Sandil plaza, it has to be revoked.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:43 pm

local map is wrong apparently, This should be moved back if he made the wrong interior. Seeing as I am unable to check maybe Haplo could do the honor.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:15 pm

It looks like both buildings arent in finished. If that is the case, this claim can be of the building which was in the place of the tavern-like building, and another claim still has to be created for the tavern-like building. Unless there are claim number higher than 13_215 in Almalexia, I'm pretty sure that one of these buildings needs a new claim.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:35 pm

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/8079/triffithsandrilplazaxh6.jpg

The interior surrounded by the line is the one this interior is supposed to be. However. If it is the one in the corner (ie it fits the tower bleeding into the tower), then it can be that, and another interior claim can be put up for the inn in question. In fact there's an interior in N/A that can be used just for such a purpose.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:36 pm

Haplo, the building within that lines isn't the interior blackbird made. So it looks like we have a new claim of Almalexia in the unclaimed section...

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:58 pm

So it has to become the guild of brewers?
Which building is it? the same one?

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:16 pm

the buidling you created was okay but I didn't review it yet. I do know it fits the exterior so that you did good. But the big tower behind it also belongs to this claim. We thought a guild of brewers or innkeepers was a good idea to give this big tower a function. Think of a big banquet hall, restrooms for drunken innkeepers, a vault containing of really rare drinks, a storage for wine barrels going in and out of Almalexia, etc.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:13 pm

Thank you for the reply.
I didn't know that of the tower. Should I remove the whole interior except the building pieces?

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:11 pm

No, you can keep the tavern if you think it still fits in. That large tower is large enought to house the guild itself. So I think the best idea is to merge both buildings, leave the original building as intact as you can, and then fix the errors that come up.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:28 pm

This is almost a monster I'm working on it. this won't be finished in a week.
The tower is a 6*6 building with 6 or 7 floors.
The 2 lowest parts will contain drinks, the vault and perhaps a little administration center to record the shipments of drinks andare connected with the tavern.
The most upper floor (with the windows, will be the home and office of the guild master. The second upper floor will be the restrooms for the innkeepers. Should you pay for those restrooms?
I will make a seperate cell for the tower, because the facecount is very high by now to MW standards (>200.000).
This cell will contain rich furniture, because the innkeepers may enjoy it.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:23 pm

could you make the tower two cells? My old computer has troubles reviewing and playing interiors of over 500 references, I think I'm not the only one. Thanks already and you have a well thought out plan.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:05 pm

i too sugest splitting the tower into several parts. not only will it make it easier on older computers but it will also probably simplify your job (by getting rid of some of the set's inherit errors)

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:32 pm

I have 4 floors to do.
However I have only 3 ideas. The house for the guildmaster, the banquet hall and the restrooms for drunken innkeepers or brewers.
Any idea for another floor?

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:32 pm

My solution to extra space is this; containers. Maybe you can make it a storage area.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:22 pm

theviking wrote:My solution to extra space is this; containers. Maybe you can make it a storage area.

I've already one big storage room (one floor) and a small one on the third floor and i do have a little vault.
Perhaps a small kitchen for the banquet hall and some kind of bar.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:39 pm

I've made a kitchen for the banquet hall and a bar for the innkeepers and brewers.
The 4th floor has been completed and I have started with the 5th floor(banquet hall).
Perhaps I'll make another cell to decrease the face count of the cell i'm working with.

presh · Post by **presh** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:19 am

Perhaps you could make a floor of rooms for visiting members from other towns, or widows and children of deceased guild members. Something along those lines.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:44 pm

This tower has been finished. Plz check the northmarkers and the lights because most of the time the f button doesn't want to work with candles and lamps. Check also the books.
All cells contain a lot of items.
Notes; The upper floors of the hostel belongs to some working people if its okay.
I've made some custom crates and chests.
Teh chambers on the middle floor of the tower part should be only for guild members. The chambers on the second floor of the hoste should be for visitors and non other non guild members. The chambers of the tower contain (com coz no de) buckets for the puke (drunken people as teh viking suggested)
I don't think the player should join the faction, unless its a reward by a quest from them. This is more an issue much later for the quests section.
There is gong on the banquet floor, as the guildmaster wants to announce some issue.
The guildmasters room has a double bed. think of him as a married man or a or womanizer. There is no closet or wardrobe for a woman and even no clothing. Perhaps the womanizer option is better.
The tirth floor contains a small lab (where the alchemy apparatus are) and a floor for the incoming people.
The second and first floor should be off limits (in the way that's possible) for the public.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:54 pm

to reveiw it geos

Serric · Post by **Serric** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:58 am

I've looked through this and theres many errors, but it's not bad enough to revoke; thers nothing critical or that can't be fixed. Just a couple of things though...

First issue: this place uses the tr wines (the anvil wine etc) as 'rare' booze...they ain't rare (to my knowledge), but i wondered if there was any booze in tr_data that was meant to be rare that could replace it? if not, i'll make some custom items up...

Second issue: Viking, can you help me review this? This place is big (3000 refs) and is quite well packed with errors. It's gonna take quite a while to go through and fix everything, so i thought 2 reviewers doing half each (theres 4 cells) and then merge the resulting fixes would get it over with far quicker. PM me your thoughts (or just post them here, it matters not)

**EDIT**
The request is open to any other reviewer, it's just Viking is the only other reviewer i know thats active at the moment...

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:44 pm

Its okay with me, but we need to clean out the cells we didn't touch. Which cells do you want to review?

Serric · Post by **Serric** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:00 pm

If you go for the 'hostel' and 'lower level' cells, as i've already started the upper ones...
Parts may need a bit more detailing doing, going by what i've seen. When you've done post your file and i'll merge them.
Thanks for your help....

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:55 pm

just make sure we end up with one file for final review, I don't want to have to re-connect doors.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:04 pm

TESAME: Clean

Fits exterior: Yes

Northmarker set: Yes
Loading errors: No

Review: Well, this was a load of work. First all the papers that were floating. Then also the silverware utensils and imperial goblets that needed to be replaced. There was also some caspering around the stairs. I also made an extra cell because 800 references were a little too much for my computer. That one isnt connected to the upper floor, so it should be okay for merging. Oh and i almost forgot the 6 wineracks full of floating or bleeding bottles.

Comments A lot of small errors in this interior. Still I have respect for the large amount of work blackbird put in this interior.

Rating 8

Serric · Post by **Serric** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:30 am

You got the easy half

I'll merge the file and give it a quick once-over, just make sure everything is consistent.
I'm just finishing adding a little polish to the upper half, should be up tommorrow.

Serric · Post by **Serric** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:31 am

Loading Errors:
In CS: None
In Game: None

Criticals: None

Clean: No

Northmarker: Set, but incorrect in some cells

Fits Exterior: Yep

Lighting: Crap

NPCS/Gridpath: N/A

General:
Renamed the cells for consistency
Most of the literature needed rewriting to correct grammar and tone
The rare drinks should actually be rare...made them unique, called them 'aged' and added extra attributes and upped the value
Renamed all the custom objects to the correct scheme...it wasn't even consistant to start with...

Upper Floors:
Reseated the windows on the top floor so they look right and are consistant
Fixed several floaters / bleeders
Silverware is a no-no
added a fair bit more detail to the rooms
removed the door between the storeroom and the bosses room
moved the rare booze into the bosses room
made the lighting consistant
locked shit

Middle:
More silverware...another no-no
Unique silverware is a BIG no-no
replaced the bar benches with barstools...also gridsnapped the bar better
made the lighting consistant
Made the kitchen oven a bit fuller
added blacksquares where needed
other minor stuff

Other cells:
Cleaned a few other bits up, fixed a few other errors, and fixed the inter-cell locked doors. All other errors fixed by theViking

Comments:
the modder ought to be shot for all the silverware i had to replace. Overall quite good, just loads of noob errors and lack of detail in places. Note: modders, please don't try to write literature unless your grammar is up to it...

Mark:
7/10

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:16 pm

Approved.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:07 pm

What's wrong with silver forks, knives and spoons in a dunmer interior?

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:53 pm

nothing realy, as long as the int is rich (not a shack or something)

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:09 pm

I only see silverware utensils used by the nobilty. So I look how rich the rest of an interior is before I decide to keep the silverware or not. As this is the brewers guild, I think they should have used common wooden utensils.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:12 pm

yay another Almalexia int! 4 or 5 to go!

"The Last of the Almalexians"

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:57 am

This has been revoked and then assigned to Jule to be remade.

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:57 am

New file up.

EDIT: Uploaded the wrong file; feel free to delete file #3 at your convenience.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:56 pm

Hey Jule. Do you mind if we moved this claim to unavailable, seeing as we aren't working on Almalexia at the moment?

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:38 am

I'd like to keep it, if it's all the same to you.

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:57 pm

Hey Jule, it's pretty likely we'll want to keep the interior of this. It's really good, and we'll find it a nice new home

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:13 pm

Well that's exactly why I'd like to keep it; to finish it, you know.

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:38 am

Locking for now.