i4-515-Hla

Rats · Post by **Rats** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:32 pm

Claim type: Interior
Claim ID: TR_i4-515-Hla (#2788)
Faction: Hlaalu
Parent claim: TR_4-8-Hla (#145)
Claimed by: Parted User
Status: Not Available (Progress: 0%)
Location: 1:(-1451, -3486):0
Files: None

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An underwater grotto in the Thirr River Delta, just south-west of Old Ebonheart (TES1: Arena's "Black Gate" easter egg?).

Location on the TR UESP map: http://tamrielrebuilt.uesp.net/trmap/?locx=45696&locy=-152040&zoom=17&showcells=true

Another map of the area: http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y417/rats_tr/this%20is%20how%20it%20looks_zpsmxp40kjm.png

(ignore the old Group Map coordinates)

Osidian · Post by **Osidian** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:37 pm

This grotto giving access to part of Black Gate from Arena would actually be nice, but that dungeon is located south-west of Almalexia, not Ebonheart.

I'll have some time in December so I may claim it now, if it's ok for the grotto to connect with semi-flooded, semi-collapsed ruins in Old Mournhold style.

Rats · Post by **Rats** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:47 pm

Uesp says Black Gate was south west of OE.

Either way, an Old Mournhold style ruin would be most welcome! Since Black Gate was once sieged and sacked by Reman Legions, there could be remnants of the battle. (Certainly this place could serve as a quest location for the Archaeological Society)

Ironed Maidens · Post by **Ironed Maidens** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:01 am

While this might not be the BEST place to ask, I was rather enthralled reading up on Arena's take on Morrowind, and I have to ask a question; is there any plan to include the Hammer of Gharen or the Anvil of Mithas in this area or around Old Ebonheart...?

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:19 am

I think there was some talk of those two being in the castle vaults, though I am not certain.

Ironed Maidens · Post by **Ironed Maidens** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:44 am

I just find it particularly interesting because it's like they had the idea of Tonal Architecture before Morrowind was even conceptualized. And the fact that it opens the path to Red Mountain, or Dagoth-Ur specifically, is really quite interesting. Something about Black Gate here could possibly hint at a type of spacial 'warp', as it were, for housing a tonal instrument?

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:50 pm

I seem to recall Sload was adamant about not including Black Gate in the mod years back. Not sure what his reasoning was, besides Arena's lore being rather generic from what I've gathered.

Osidian · Post by **Osidian** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:59 pm

Rats wrote:Uesp says Black Gate was south west of OE.

That's wrong though. It's that dungeon southwest of Almalexia.

[img]http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/gallery_files/morrowind.png[/img]

My idea for this still stands. The ruin's proper entrance has been lost and/or collapsed. The lower level is half-flooded and thought inaccessible forever.

The natural grotto is sort of uneventful and almost completely filled with water except for a few air pockets, but it's not too big to avoid scaring the player away. The ruin - what is left of it - is medium sized, one to two cells at most, located on the land southwest of OE.

The event that collapsed most of the ruin, probably caused the lower level to be flooded by making the grotto and the ruin connect.

Osidian · Post by **Osidian** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:02 pm

Claiming

Rats · Post by **Rats** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:06 pm

Granted! :)

Post by **Seneca37** » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:26 pm

References please. Any TES3:books or TR:books about this?

I'm not objecting to a grotto with some Old Mournhold ruins in it, just trying to understand why.

Osidian · Post by **Osidian** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:36 pm

I just proposed that because this used to be Indoril land. And I wanted to work with the set.

But, I'm not really sure how we're planning to use Old Mournhold ruins, to be honest.

Ironed Maidens · Post by **Ironed Maidens** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:02 pm

I think that, most importantly, the OM ruin set needs to be expanded before any type of big or new ideas are made that involve them.

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:43 pm

Osidian, I'd say go ahead and start what you're planning to build. Most OM ruins were built during the Second Era or even before then, so that would leave plenty of time for a few to become buried and/or submerged in water.

For some generally agreed upon notes of the OM dungeons, you can read over [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24936]this document[/url], if you'd like.

Post by **Gnomey** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:41 am

As far as the OM ruin is concerned, I intend to bring up the topic in the Skype meeting this Saturday; there are several possible locations around Old Ebonheart the ruin could represent, (though they are perhaps more likely to exist on the site of Old Ebonheart), such as [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24467]Khalaan[/url], an ancient temple believed to have been dedicated to Lorkhan, and the Indoril chapel which controlled the surrounding area before the Armistice.

In general, as I discuss in the thread RyanS linked, I currently think we should use the OM set in three primary ways:
-to represent some kind of pre-Tribunal ancestor temple, (Khalaan could well fall into this category), which should be designed like Daedric ruins, (from my experience the OM set is very well suited for that)
-to represent ruined Velothi villages of some description; generally just houses and maybe small tunnels. The set here is rather limited, as there are no proper interiors for the house models, and a limited number of house models as it is.
-to represent a ruined Indoril chapel; these ruins should be very grand and follow the basic design direction of current castle estates. (Which is not quite clear). The set is especially limited for this kind of stuff, though, and it's hard not to make things look cobbled together.

Rats · Post by **Rats** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:25 am

The Khalaan temple of Lorkhan should definitely be under Old Ebonheart (plenty of room below the Castle sewers for example) once we figure out what's supposed to be down there.

If OM ruin set is deemed ill-fitting for this claim perhaps Osidian could use the Dunmer stronghold set for the underground fort?

Post by **Gnomey** » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:30 pm

That's another possibility, though I do think with Dunmer Strongholds that we should try and keep close to (not necessarily slavishly follow) the rather specific established layout I describe in the second spoiler tag [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24976]here[/url], and also that as strongholds are generally built on relatively flat terrain that it might be better to lead the grotto a little ways south or southeast before transitioning into the tileset.

If we go with a Dunmer stronghold, I think it should have a propylon chamber.

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:44 pm

Any progress to report?

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:24 am

Revoking and locking. Will move to the new browser shortly.