Mesh request: New Dres armour

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:18 am

I am asking if anyone here would be willing to model the bethesda concepts of dres armour. If so, I will post all known pictures of it in this thread, and the pieces that are unknown will be filled in with pieces designed by dexter (i think).

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:29 am

Well Sirwootalot you are very persistant. Just keep in mind there could be reason why the armor is still concept. I personally like the armor we have know but more types of armor in the game could hurt I suppose.

Also you should know that there are two different styles in Beth offical concept art. Both do not show complete pictures. If I have time I might do a more complete version of one.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:01 am

atleast wait until we are at that stage in dres territory, hell we arent even ready with exterior man.

its about priorities, our meshers have other things to do that are of more priority right now

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:02 am

True, also the asthetics of that concept work is questionable, it just doesn't look very good, or like bonemold even. Infact it looks more like Dwemer Armor.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:35 pm

I don't know where the "dwemer" comment came from, but I thought we could at least do the helmet - there are even two pictures of it, so we wouldnt have to guess much with perspective. Also, I never said anything about not using the already modeled dres armour anymore if this is done.
Another thing, half of it was going to be the bonemold seen in the "concept art" thread; because only the pauldrons, shield, helm, and bracers are known for appearance.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:36 pm

I dont see whats wrong with the armor already made by vorheis?

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:52 pm

nothing at all! it's just that we have THE lore for the dres armour now, and putting it to waste would be quite bad. I thought since dres has two castes, vorrheis's could be for one caste and the armour i speak of could be for the other caste.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:14 pm

Sirwootalot, the point here is that it is NOT lore. The thing is that it is concept work, and who knows how much more there is that wasn't released, the armor could have likely gone through many more changes, or it may have been halted there when a dev said that design didn't fit, which is very possible.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:42 pm

What I mean by lore is that it's the ONLY evidence we have on what the official dres armour looks like. I don't see why you're so opposed to this; it's not like it would replace vorrheis's dres armour (which is excellent).
Also, those concept pictures show a dres shield; which we don't have period.
Bladmand, do you think you could do that one (the shield)? I understand shields are easy to model, and that since you've been making alot of shields anyway it should be a walk in the park for you

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TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:51 pm

The one armor set doesn't even look a little bit like Dres, or even Bonemold, it just doesn't fit which is why it probably never made it into the game as a set of armor, or even past the concept work.

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:30 pm

I didn't have a shield made...purposely which is why a shield doesn't exist at all.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:30 pm

that would be an opinion there, not really something to base a big argument off of (those tend to use thing called "facts")

. Also, they probably left out all the little details on the armour, like daedric letters or bumps and stuff, just like all the other bonemold concept pictures - most of which got used almost exactly as drawn but with more detail.
In addition, they didnt use that dres armour because they didnt use dres anything, silly

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Another thing, if YOU don't like it; that doesn't mean you have to attempt to shoot down the whole idea.
Now, is there anyone whose name isn't turelio that doesn't like this idea? if so, I will acknowledge that its a bad concept; as just one person complaining isnt enough to convince me that this idea is "bad".

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:34 pm

I couldn't care less if this armor was made or not but what I do know is that it won't be *considered* nor *used* for the Dres nor any of their castes. There is a reason why I never based my concept dres armor off of the drawings that beth made.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:13 pm

where can be seen those beth draws?...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:29 pm

Is here any place where i can look those "new" armour types ?

I'm new here....

But i can create good Npc's nad maybe amrors
and i really want to see some of those Dres armors...and others armors on Tamriel...From my mind Dres armour Could Be "Red & yellow" ebony

shadowmoon · Post by **shadowmoon** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:02 pm

[url]http://forums.tamriel-rebuilt.org/viewtopic.php?t=4997[/url]

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:31 pm

In addition, they didnt use that dres armour because they didnt use dres anything, silly

There are other reasons besides that. We have seen several other bonemold styles make it into the game that likely may have been meant for the other Houses, in concept just because it was called Dres doesn't mean a Dev would just not use it.

Fine, I just disagree that it be used for anything having to do with Dres. It doesn't fit with everything else about it. Also to me the shape doesn't fit with bonemold either, however we can see if someone makes it.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:38 pm

Munkie wrote:I couldn't care less if this armor was made or not but what I do know is that it won't be *considered* nor *used* for the Dres nor any of their castes. There is a reason why I never based my concept dres armor off of the drawings that beth made.

Yeah, like to share it with us? Big shot

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:11 am

okay, i've been working on this all afternoon; it is a detailed version of the set with more detail than even the concept shots. And munkie, i'm sorry to hear you think that.

Garinator · Post by **Garinator** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:34 am

Hey sirwoot very nice! but do we have any moddlers who'd be willing to make it? if i new how to and had the software i wud but alas im 2 newby

Yeah and munkie like oaka said after you why do you think your opinion is the be all and end all "bigshot"

. Id love to see this armor modeled as its really original. Your not the only modler we have you know and furthermore im sure it would be used in TR because it looks soo awesome.

so yeah take that "bigshot"

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:36 am

Um... as far as I know Munkie isn't a Modeler.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:39 am

Do not, in any way, mock members of TR who have been here as long as and contributed as much as Munkie. He not only is one of our strongest lore people, but is also a high (if not the highest) authority on Dres. So question his decisions, but questioning his authority will do nothing.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:59 am

ohh man garinator

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munkie is THE LAST guy in the world i'd ever even think of disrespecting; he's created an entire culture from just a few tiny scraps of info left from bethesda... let's see YOU do that

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Although I do think some of his descisions he could have asked the public too, he is not a "bigshot". he is a man who dont take no poop from nobody, something that I respect ALOT.
And i'm glad that you like the armour, it took me a good while to smartly guess what the cuirass would look like without all those darn sashes and robes

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But still, insult nobody... escpecially not munkie, or any higher member for that matter.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:57 pm

so... is anyone going to say anything other than insults, or why people shouldn't use insults?
I'd really like the input of a moderator, or better yet someone who is in charge of dres... I put ALOT of work into "restoring" bethesda's often crappy concept pictures

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Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:03 pm

on discussions with munkie, he is not a fan of this, and it is not due to your work on updating it, because I think you did good work. This is not to say it cant be used somewhere else, it just will not really fit with Dres.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:04 pm

I would say it is crappy just not suited to Dres, of course that IMHO. Yinnie is incharge of Dres, I would talk to her about this.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:07 pm

it looks too dwemer, and I think this is the main reason against

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:10 pm

and the same goes for Daka what Garinator got told

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:16 am

I agree that the cuirass is a bit un-bonemold ish, but the arm parts are just fine - and the helm too, if modified accordingly.
also, I was thinking that this style could be used for an artifact set of armour; possibly the first type of bonemold, or maybe even house dagoth bonemold armour.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:25 am

house dagoth maybe, but dres, I doubt it will make it without drastic overhaul

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:29 am

That drastic overhaul is now in progress!

this time, i'm trying to make it fit with both concept and vorrheis's dres armour.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:00 am

you might want to try taking a bit of the gaudiness and flashiness out of the cuirass...

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:04 am

sirwoot, before you do that, I would open up a direct communication with Munkie

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:07 am

well it doesn't have to be direct, just a little bit inconformative...

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:37 am

'k. I already have it in a finished state, So I will post it here...
and I am asking munkie If he can give me direct suggestions to make it useable as the armour for house dres's Alt-Julan caste (I am assuming vorrheis's native gah-kogo is used by the gah-kogo caste

). As in, please don't just say "still not good enough for dres".

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:09 am

Just to clarify something for me, when you guys are talking about the armor being too Dwemer, are you talking about my concept bonemold sketch?
I didn't design it with any particular House in mind, and now that I look at it, it does look pretty thick. If you guys want to use that armor for anything, be it a House or artifact or whatever, and need me to do any changes on it, let me know. I will gladly redraw the suit, implementing any changes or suggestions you all have for it.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:39 am

The armors aren't really all that different. Not different enough to warrant a new armor model. Vorrheis' helm is more spiky than the concept art, but you could just use one of the already made Bethesda ones. The spikes are also slightly different in style, but the general spiky shoulders bit is there.

Munkie · Post by **Munkie** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:54 am

That picture of the Dres armor that Zalzidrax is rather outdated. For a more recent picture...clickie here: [url]http://forums.tamriel-rebuilt.org/viewtopic.php?t=4400[/url]

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:07 pm

I agree that the whole thing shouldn't be replaced. However making a few of the pieces that look a bit different (Curved short spiky pauldronds, shield, ect) may be a good idea to give the Dres a little variety.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:26 pm

actually that might be interesting to do(making it an ancient dagoth bonemold) could be part of a quest from an armorer to try to again make the bonemold.