Dragon

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue May 18, 2004 4:45 pm

[img]http://www.bear371.com/mods/dragonss1.jpg[/img]

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:35 pm

Who created that?

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue May 18, 2004 6:28 pm

him

http://www.bear371.com/mods/

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:15 pm

oooh, we need to woo him, hes good! woo!.... WOO!!

akbliu · Post by **akbliu** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:20 pm

woO!

Spider · Post by **Spider** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:42 pm

Yes, yes... I'd seen this before. Quite definately the best, most 'Elder Scolls-ish" dragon I've seen. I do believe this model is for the 'Creatures of the Night 3' mod to be released sometime somewhere.

Be sure to take a look at the pics of his Balrog model, it's not really TR related but it IS a very excellent model as well.

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Tue May 18, 2004 8:24 pm

All I can say is his work with the dragonling, dragon, minotaur, ect. is excellent.
I would even say it rivals some of the stuff we've done (Which I would say is some of the best work for modded for morrowind).

Teli · Post by **Teli** » Tue May 18, 2004 10:47 pm

Looks good, but isn't it a bit dull with just one texture for the whole body?

Xerox · Post by **Xerox** » Wed May 19, 2004 1:04 am

Have to agree with the others here, and say that althrough the dragon looks cool, the texture needs work....also aren't dragons more friendly?

Maklir · Post by **Maklir** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:22 am

Friendly?? you think dragons are friendly, then you should think again. Most dragons are not friendly I think, but some (only few) could be of the "good type".

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Thu May 20, 2004 1:14 am

You haven't gotten up on your temriel lore have you. Suffice it to say there are no "good" or "bad" dragons. Once you get a bit better aquanted with the dragons of Tamriel look at that comment again.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:43 am

I'm afraid my knowledge of dragons is very slim.

However, weren't most dragons in Morrowind driven off by the cliff racers (according to TIL?) I'm not saying we've no right to include them, I'm sure it's already been discussed, but my point is they'd be very, very rare.

So here's my idea:

What if we made or used a different (or at least different-colored) dragon for each dragon?

This would obviously mean they wouldn't be randomly spawned, but it's an idea. It'd make dealing with a dragon more special, and make for more interesting encounters. Instead of that first shock of seeing a dragon and then a constant irritation of them after the first few fights, we could make each encounter exciting, and give the player yet another thing to keep him hooked on the game for a long, long time.

I recognize this would make a lot more work, and it's easy for me to say, as I don't make creature models (or at least, not yet) but I daresay there's plenty of time before we move on to Skyrim, so three or four dragon encounters would make sense.

I know Puma Man has made his own dragon model, and I imagine others probably have too. Make a few different colors and Tamriel Rebuilt gets that much more interesting.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:46 am

However, weren't most dragons in Morrowind driven off by the cliff racers

I dont blame them. Those things are as annoying as heck!

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:55 am

Every dragon we add will be unique. Only a few will be added. Cyrodiil will be the only place you can find more then one at a single spot and I highly doubt we will add any random dragons.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Wed May 26, 2004 3:22 am

Yes and the Dragon should play a significant role in a quest.

Silvone Elestahr · Post by **Silvone Elestahr** » Wed May 26, 2004 6:58 am

In the Icewind Dale Trilogy, each dragon the characters faced was different in some way. Ice dragons that had ice breath, black dragons that breathed black clouds of despair, silver dragon with unknown properties and attacks, red dragons with breaths of flame. Each could have their own attitudes and everything. These would be creatures worth perfecting.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Thu May 27, 2004 6:42 am

I would imagine that if a new model will be used with every dragon, people will be willing to spend a few minutes coming up with each dragon's personality, attacks, etc. I wouldn't worry about it.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:34 am

In the Icewind Dale Trilogy, each dragon the characters faced was different in some way. Ice dragons that had ice breath, black dragons that breathed black clouds of despair, silver dragon with unknown properties and attacks, red dragons with breaths of flame. Each could have their own attitudes and everything. These would be creatures worth perfecting.

Red- Fire
Silver- Wind
Black- Acid
Brass- Fire
Gold- Fire
Bronze- Wind
Copper- Acid
Blue- Electricity
Green- Gas
White- Ice

Post by **Haplo** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:47 am

I believe it should be this since these atrributes better suit the colors. No Offense but the ones listed above do not correspond with the colors of the dragons:

Gold: Fire
Silver: Frost
Copper: Acid
Bronze: Lightning
Brass: Gas
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Red: Fire
White: Frost
Black: Acid
Blue: Lightning
Green: Gas

as each metallic dragon(gold, silver, copper, bronze, brass) should have each a matching chromatic dragon(red, white, black, blue, green)

Cep · Post by **Cep** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:49 am

I don't usually post much nowadays but bloody hell thats great!

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Fri May 28, 2004 3:04 am

Personally I think you're getting a bit close to DnD. However since the only info we have so far is that the red and black dragons have been killed off your view is legitimate.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Fri May 28, 2004 3:58 am

The best dragon made to Morrowind I've even seen.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:35 pm

That Looks relly great! i have seen only 2 tes dragons This [better one]
and the Puma man's G I A N T S plug in from morrowind summit

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:00 pm

oh i have seen to the puma one ... and it wasn't good as this one ...

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:43 pm

Actually, elder scrolls dragons do not look like that. CHeck out the "redguard intro movie scenes" on TIL, there are at least 3 pictures.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:43 pm

any link to it?

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:45 pm

TIL.gamingsource,co.uk
it's their newest update.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:02 pm

so there are dragons in tamriel...

[img]http://til.gamingsource.co.uk/intros/rg_intro_08.jpg[/img]

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:41 pm

Yup but we already knew that. However that picture is at odds with the lore that the tscaisci completally killed of the Red and black dragons. I guess the ones in Tamriel were unharmed. but then that goes against there not being any in tamriel. In other words I have conflicting lore accounts.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:46 pm

here seems to say that this dragon is part of the imperial army....

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:10 pm

Well that wasn't in question there have always been dragons as part of the imperial legion. However the continent of akavir book clearly says all black and red dragons specifically were completally wiped out.

And if that was only talking about akavir and not Tamriel then why are there few dragons in tamriel?

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:17 pm

so there are or not wandering dragons in tamriel?

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:21 pm

According to what had been decided officially 2 or 3 wandering and not in the imperial legion and a dozen or so in the imperial legion.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:31 pm

so if i mesh up a Dragon could find a lore fitting?
if so areu able to find me any picture reference for it?

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:34 pm

Well it will be awhile. It's definite there aren't any in morrowind. And it's sketchy for skyrim. Chances are the first one we'll really need will be for Cyrodiil.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:50 pm

sketchy means?

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:06 pm

Could be argued either way and primarily depends on what the people that know lore a little better then me (Nazz ect.) or the core decide.

Lord_Gallant · Post by **Lord_Gallant** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:44 pm

There is really nothing saying a dragon could not be in Skyrim. He would have to be a well-hidden creature with a cave large enough to allow him to leave it (those two things exclude most areas beyond deep mountainous wilderness). None would be in Morrowind, though, since they apparently don't like cliffracer swarms.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:46 pm

oh great so i could shapoe a dragon if i have time... any link to pics or info about how should be or look?

what about a mysty white snow dragon?

Lord_Gallant · Post by **Lord_Gallant** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:55 pm

Different colors of dragon have been implied in the lore, so I can't see the problem with a white snow dragon. As for pictures, well...

What you have posted already is about the only picture I know of produced by Bethesda. Daggerfall never had a dragon (Peryite is a daedra, not a dragon). Redguard had one dragon but it was crappy looking (probably due to the graphical quality of the day). Drawings of dragons would do the best job of portraying what Bethesda would think the dragons should ideally look like and, as far as I know, what you posted (and the others with it) is about all the drawings there is. So, I would go by that example and try to make it look as similar as possible (only white colored).