Map of Nirn

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:45 am

I guess you could ask Tedders if he knows anything about a map of Atmora or even if a more detailed map of Pyandonea was ever created? Hmm... Damn Daggerfall and it's massive use of sprites! LOL.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:15 am

sorry stump, but that map is shite. I've been doing much better ones that I will have up soon enough. They are stretched out though, because I try to fit the whole plane(t) on one rectangular thing. smae happens with earth's rectangular maps; the poles get distorted. This makes atmora look much bigger than it really is.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:20 pm

You could do a map that is oval in shape, so that the poles are correctly represented, it wont be exactly right but closer than a rectangular one.

Gleb · Post by **Gleb** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:43 pm

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n wrote:I guess you could ask Tedders if he knows anything about a map of Atmora or even if a more detailed map of Pyandonea was ever created? Hmm... Damn Daggerfall and it's massive use of sprites! LOL.

I'll do that next time I see him on the Officials. Anyways, we might get a more detailed map of Pyandonaea sooner than we think, if TESIV is indeed set in Summerset, Artaeum or Cyrodiil. Especially Cyrodiil. We'll have to get a map of all the continents if it's set there, seeing as how they're painted on the ceiling of a room in the Imperial Palace.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 6:51 pm

Gleb, where do you learn this stuff?

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:32 pm

You guys should really stick around on the Official Forums more often, yes there are always annoying people but deal with them.

Gleb · Post by **Gleb** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:44 pm

Just stick to the Lore Forums and your eyes won't burn from the Daedra Princes of Idiocy, 1337 and Unlore. And behave (Don't curse, flame or spam.). That's how I learn those things, in addition to having read through the whole Imperial Library many times.

Fallen Murk · Post by **Fallen Murk** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:13 pm

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n wrote:...dunno why you made Atmora and Akavir about twice as big as Tamriel but Tamriel is the largest continent on Nirn
...

Thank you. This point was starting to bother me as I read through and didn't see immediate corrections.

...I guess you could ask Tedders if he knows anything about a map of Atmora or even if a more detailed map of Pyandonea was ever created?...

My 10 years reading and talking about Tamriel tells me that this has been asked and unanswered. If any such (official) maps existed, they would have surfaced by now. The 2D globe pic from DF is a new one to me though and worth saving for future reference. (However, a TES-IV dev working on maps may not know this pic exists.) Don't mean to be a nay-sayer; it doesn't hurt to ask.

Gleb wrote:...And behave (Don't curse, flame or spam.)

Or Tegger will stomp on you.

...That's how I learn those things, in addition to having read through the whole Imperial Library many times.

You said it. What would we do without TIL.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:54 pm

I am not oing to read all of the thread but i need to know this ...... are those maps a part of immagination or instead are real?

in the second case i will consider addition to the mainmap if any link to more official sites are provided , in the first case instead i think they cannot be used at all since there are no ideas of how the coasts are shaped like, hoe the mountains are placed and how the political settins are displayed for them so is no way we can use it .....

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:26 pm

No they're pulled out of our, posteriors, they have no basis in Lore at all, though we now know the shape, size and location of Pyandonea, which doesn't look like those maps but rather check the picture of the globe from Daggerfall, it's an odd crescent shape below Sumurset

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:17 am

then this means that only pyndonea could be considered to add in this map all the rest is completely opinable and could be as different as everyone could immagine so it is useless to speculate about it i guess....also we are not even close to finish the morrowind province that is exagerate to think about lands beyond tamriel wich should be the main purpouse of this site , not called Nirn rebuilt.......

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:22 pm

Exactly, though this was just a bit of fun, remember though Pyandonea does not look like on the maps people have posted, only like on that globe picture - the crescent shape below Sumurset.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:04 am

sorry stump, but that map is shite. I've been doing much better ones that I will have up soon enough. They are stretched out though, because I try to fit the whole plane(t) on one rectangular thing. smae happens with earth's rectangular maps; the poles get distorted. This makes atmora look much bigger than it really is.

Well? Wheres the map?

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:11 am

Hmm, woot? Here, wooty-wooty-wooty... LOL I'm guessing this got forgotten about. Anyway Re: map distortion, I dunno the technical jargon term for it but draw an oval map, that'll eliminate the size distortion, though it still looks wierd.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:17 am

Sorry, i've been so horrendously busy with other things that i've done nothing with it thus far. Be patient, as i will have it eventually.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:17 pm

Did you notice that Tamriel looks alot like Europe and Asia and Pyandonia (now confirmed to have a crescent shape) looks like Africa? What if Akavir looked like the Americas?

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:22 pm

And then there's the warcraft map, almost an exact replica of the Earth's.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:12 pm

akavir is to the east. However, if you noticed, I based Kamal off of the american west coast.

I always thought yokuda was the africa-equivalent.

Blackblade · Post by **Blackblade** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:02 pm

Well Nirn is a spherical shape.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:34 pm

I know that, some people think that the thing with nirn being a plane is acually true (it's just what the people on nirn believe).

Blackblade · Post by **Blackblade** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:36 pm

If its to the East then it would also be to the West if its a spherical shape.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:03 am

sirwootalot123 wrote:I know that, some people think that the thing with nirn being a plane is acually true (it's just what the people on nirn believe).

*cough*bollocks*cough*

It's not what people on Nirn believe - they don't even know that, and it's not a plane it's a finite sphere within the infinity of Oblivion - the other planets are infinite planes and spheres at the same time. It's from the devs, not the ingame religions, and the word of a dev is gospel regarding TES, it's like the Treaty of Rome is to EC law (that's pretty damn important).

Everyone ingame would realise that the world is round as Tamriel has higher tech than ancient greece; and even they knew the world was round by the fact that there's a horizon in the distance. Christianity and the dark ages fcuked up scientific research for a couple o' hundred years - that's why we thought the whole thing was flat during the middle ages. If it weren't for the muslims keeping all our old books and translating them we'd have known jack s**t after we came out of the dark ages.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:38 am

We would have known plenty- the churches in Europe kept the old books, they just never really read them.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:18 am

My bad - i thought it was all from some book in-game.
either way nirn is a sphere; like a planet.

G.M.K. · Post by **G.M.K.** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:02 pm

The question is, how much of the planet does Temriel take up.

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:19 pm

If it weren't for the muslims keeping all our old books and translating them we'd have known jack s**t after we came out of the dark ages.

If we even *would* have come out of the dark ages without the books

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:14 pm

Well yes, in fact one muslim cleric actually converted to Christianity and translated a lot of info from islamic into latin at that monastery in Campania in southern Italy, erm, the one that got bombed to s**t by the yanks during WWII. Then what did we do with it? Nothing, just left it sitting there gathering dust in the monastery.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:37 pm

Well, here' one of the maps. It's a map of the north pole, AKA atmora and its relation to the other continents.

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:23 pm

next stop, Akavir Rebuilt! (he, he, just kidding)

Post by **Swiftoak** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:40 pm

You can have a script making the thing not infinite. Like as soon as you reach a point so far west, your char gets teleported to the far east, giving the illusion that it is a round world.

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:34 am

Maybe I'm getting a wee bit too detail-oriented, but wouldn't there be continental drift on Nirn? Wouldn't that be cool if Akavir mirrored the western provinces coastlines like the Americas do with Europe/Africa?

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:33 pm

Yes, in fact I made a thread about it.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:35 pm

Well only if they are on seperate plates moving away from each other. Ways that they could not link are:

1) The plates have moved so far apart one way they are coming round to meet on the other side, in which case the far coasts would be more mirrored.

2) The sea was formed by an immense rise in water levels (eg ice age ends) and the lowlands flooded to form an ocean long long ago

3) Some other geological/miraculous event happened, like a huuuuuuuuge earthquake or Vivec flooding the lands to make the Inner Sea

And more!

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:58 am

Arthomodeus, you made a thread on this? where?

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:12 am

it is right here:
[url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=10183&highlight=eurasia]Clicky[/url]

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:40 am

Oh, well, that just deals about the similary between Akavir and the Americas. Although I'd have to admit that Akavir is kinda similar to America tectonically (being that it hooks up to the "Eurasia" of Nirn), I'm talking about the continental drift, specifically. It could give us a lot of help trying to draw Akaviri coast lines without lore, instead of just "pulling it out of our posteriors."

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:47 am

Savant wrote:Oh, well, that just deals about the similary between Akavir and the Americas. Although I'd have to admit that Akavir is kinda similar to America tectonically (being that it hooks up to the "Eurasia" of Nirn), I'm talking about the continental drift, specifically. It could give us a lot of help trying to draw Akaviri coast lines without lore, instead of just "pulling it out of our posteriors."

Except that we're pulling this continental drift stuff out of our "posteriors" so we're in the same place as before.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:21 am

I know that "assume it's as in the real world unless otherwise specified" is always a good approach for fantasy worlds, I do have doubts, however, on plate tectonics in Nirn, where the only known volcanos were created by a divine meteor impact, where tides do not exist despite the existence of two moons (and a rumored third in some rare circumstances), where the sun and the stars are just holes of various size in a curtain of darkness, and where, when the moons aren't full, you can see the stars "inside" their darkened parts because they're actually shrinking rather than getting obscured.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:33 pm

Yeah there isnt any real reason to make them link up...more effort than it is worth really. Since this is a world where gods DO exist no question about it (since they walk around and talk and things) its entirely more plausible to say that this is how it was made and isnt going anywhere.

ookami · Post by **ookami** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:49 pm

I must admit that Bethesda really has made it pretty much speculation-proof in that respect. If you don't want to contradict them in any way, you just have to have them draw you a map if they will.