Diamond Armor?

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:26 am

Diamonds are nothing but carbon. If you managed to melt them without incinerating them, they'd just end up as coal anyhow.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:26 am

Why do you assume Dragons forge Diamonds, or that they can? You seem to be a bit new to the Elderscrolls, it is quite different from other fantasies so not everything in them flies here.

Full plate Diamond Armor wouldn't work, studded is a much better idea but still quite rare.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:33 am

the full plate wouln't be solid diamond but diamond and silver or ebony
ok maybe not dragons maybe heat from volcanoe I don't know but you would need quite a lot of heat in thiory unless you forged them with a spell

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:36 am

Diamond would make a much better weapon edge than armor. There's too many places in armor that you'd have to put it to ward off potential blows, whereas in a weapon you only need sharp diamond piercing edge.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:38 am

A wepon edge is ultimatly easy better and more realistic, but are you talking about a pure blade or just an edge of diamond

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:42 am

I agree with that, Diamond would work better for a weapon. Anything meant to pierce, so thrust weapons like Spears. Only a part of it, not the entire weapon would be diamond.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:40 pm

The idea of dragon forging isn't that far out I found a book while browsing the CS called 'Tamrielic Lore'

Goldbrand

This magical sword is almost a compleat mystery. Thieves telltales about its golden make and how it was actually forged by ancient dragons of the North.

So a dragon could be involved but perhaps diamond plate armour is a bit to impossible but I'm all for the studded kind and wepons such as spears and daggers maybe even arrows and bolts

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:44 pm

Mavus wrote:The idea of dragon forging isn't that far out I found a book while browsing the CS called 'Tamrielic Lore'

Goldbrand

This magical sword is almost a compleat mystery. Thieves telltales about its golden make and how it was actually forged by ancient dragons of the North.
So a dragon could be involved but perhaps diamond plate armour is a bit to impossible but I'm all for the studded kind and wepons such as spears and daggers maybe even arrows and bolts

There is a difference with taht, you said foring by melting diamonds. I this case it was probably forged in a different manner if it was indeed forged that way. Dragons are quite different in TES the the great beasts that guard hordes of treasure.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:24 pm

ok lets leave dragons out of it for the moment and think, how about instead if creating all new wepons because I would be expensive and difficult, these thing wont exactly be mass produced in Tamriel but perhaps somone could upgrade one of your wepons by giving it a diamond edge, making it do and extra 5 damage in each attack

eg.

before

Chop 5-10
Slash 4-8
Thrust 7-14

after
Chop 10-15
Slash 9-13
Thrust 12-19

the details are debaitable but Its quite a cool idea

or we could go with the classic 'ancient artifact hidden in forgoten tomb'
cliche

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:00 pm

Dragons aren't real, how do we know that a dragons fire wouldn't turn it to coal(I think is what someone said). You could say that maybe dragons are able to melt the diamonds and within 10 minutes a powerful mage would have to work with it by using magics. Then it could be fortified.

Diamond edge weapons sounds like a good idea. But, I say that they should be there own weapons and not enhnced current weaponry. Perhaps maybe a very wealthy noble could have a pure diamond blade for ceremonial purposes, like maybe a king or ruler of a province. Or maybe even the emperor himself!

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:29 pm

Dragons aren't real, how do we know that a dragons fire wouldn't turn it to coal(I think is what someone said). You could say that maybe dragons are able to melt the diamonds and within 10 minutes a powerful mage would have to work with it by using magics. Then it could be fortified.

no offense, but its because you dont know what the hell you are talking about.
Coal is fossiliesd plant material, how the hell can you get that by burning a diamond? and the temperatures required to melt diamonds are enough to simply disintergrate any organic thing within 6 inches of the blast, and half the heat of the sun itself (so you'd need a resist fire 9999% spell to make it so the flame "only" does 100 damage per second). Not to mention the temperature would be enough to liquify the prongs you are using within 30 seconds. in other words, forging diamonds is f'ing retarded bullcrap that is truly and utterly impossible.

However, I like the idea of coating swords with diamond dust - as it would be quite possible, you would just need to dip the sword in crushed diamond right after taking it out of the fire (while still red with heat) then after 2 minutes swish it around a bit, then put it back in the fire (to make the diamond dust merge together a bit). However, repairing it would be quite difficult.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:13 pm

Diamond and coal are carbon. Diamond has a crystalline lattice which lends it far more strength than coal. Melting it would destroy that lattice.

Diamnods are formed when coal is put under incredible heat and pressure, so I suppose you could use a dragon as part of a process to forge diamond, and you would only have to start with coal. Unfortunately you would need incredibly powerful magics to generate the compression and keep it from burning up, and I doubt you could keep that up long enough to make any significant amount of diamond, much less shape it.

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:04 pm

You know what would be great, but cruel? Have many people talk about diamond armor, then send the player on a huge quest for it only to find that it was only a myth after all. It would be horribly cruel, but just imagine the look ona player's face after he's spent 100 hours exploring Tamriel to complete a quest for an item that doesn't even exist.

Yinnie · Post by **Yinnie** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:05 pm

LOL.
Oh excellent Xen. I like that

Yinnie.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:10 pm

Xen wrote:You know what would be great, but cruel? Have many people talk about diamond armor, then send the player on a huge quest for it only to find that it was only a myth after all. It would be horribly cruel, but just imagine the look ona player's face after he's spent 100 hours exploring Tamriel to complete a quest for an item that doesn't even exist.

You are cruel!

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:39 pm

Or even better yet, make up several god-like artifacts that are red herrings. Each looooong quest leads to another and in the end, the player discovers that the artifacts are the victims of exagerration and are really just ordinary enchanted itmes. But a cryptic note lets them talk about the diamond armor to select folks in Tamriel. Then we hit them with the faked diamond armor quest. If they aren't tearing their hair out by then, they're made of tougher stuff than me.

G.M.K. · Post by **G.M.K.** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:37 am

You're a genious Xen, I love it just imagine the look on a players face after all the searching.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:30 am

Adding a daimond edge sounds good, they are used for cutting in real life.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:02 pm

I love sirwootalots idea of diamond dust but lets get one thing straight:
Tamriel is not National Geographic
In real life diamonds are found in the ground are rare on expensive and are one of the hardest objects on earth

In RPGs, taking Diablo 2 for example I know Elder Scrolls is better but thats why I,m not using it, Diamond pop out of anyou ay random zombie and can be found every half hour by inserting them into wepons with holes in you can do 20% extra damage to the undead, it serves the zombies right for having them anyway.

But of coarse The world of Tamriel is more realistic but not that realistic.
So forget reality and think how we can actually put this through the construction set

and in answer to your first critasism as you no doubtedly have many:

shut up

Tylium · Post by **Tylium** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:39 pm

well diamonds is carbon that crystalized under very high presure so why not make a forge that works by a npc on a rock and a mage that casts burden 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 points and a molded armor of diamond is done maybe to activate it you need a book so the wizard can let the diamond harden through time like in the rw

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:59 pm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:46 am

well firstly I would like to say I ahve no strong opinions on this so don't get mad at me

1) Diamonds strength literraly means it can with stand large pressure compared to wieght not to heat
2) you can combust diamond at 600'F in around 20 minutes
3) burden only works on living things
4)diamonds are NOT alive
5)diamonds are quite cheap compared to silver and platnium

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:11 pm

the AMOUNTS of diamonds needed would be indescribable. A piece of silver the size of a gumball is the same worth as a piece of diamond the size of a B.B. bullet.
Plus, diamond doesnt melt at 600F, it shatters. it doesnt melt until a temperature almost that of the sun (15000 F).

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:42 pm

He never said it melted at 600 degrees, he said it burns, which would probably cause it to shatter.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:58 pm

a diomond is not strong, though it is the hardest element. its hardness just means that it can scratch other materials that could not scratch it, i think i learned it in science class a couple of years ago.
I'm not sure if i'm right, i'm trying to rember something that i learned years ago. anyway, you guys probably know more that me.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:44 am

It is incredibly strong, but it would be very impractical to try and fashion it into a suit of armour, also diamond doesn't come in armour-sized pieces, you reckon you can just find a piece bigger than your chest around?

It's not an element BTW Negrodomous it's carbon like what we're made of but with 4 bonds between each atom creating a perfect lattice structure IIR my GCSE science classes properly.

It takes a whole crapload of time to make naturally so find chunks large enough to actually produce armoour would be almost unheard of. Making it articificially is a relatively recent invention and I rather doubt they can do that on Tamriel, unless you say a really powerful mage could exert the needed pressure on the carbon like Tylium suggested

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:22 am

In our real world, there are 'crystal skulls,' which were made out of large pieces of diamond, worn down with sand over hundreds of years. Basically, the father would pass the skull down, generation to generation, and each man would spend most of their adult lives working the skull down with only handfulls of sand.

There have only been 3 or 4 of these found (I believe they were made by the Aztecs) and they are perfectly sculpted. You can see a picture of one here:

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http://crystalinks.com/crystalskullmh.jpg

We could have a unique piece of armour done in this style, taking hundreds of years, created by one family. It isn't impossible, just time consuming.

Just a thought.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:23 pm

crystal skulls would be odd to find lying around and so I was off on the price who cares I was thinking of todays value which is cheap because it can now be artificaly produced

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:26 pm

No, I'm not saying we should make crystal skulls, what I'm saying is that they could have made armour out of a big diamond, slowly wearing it down with sand over hundreds of years.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:08 am

No diamond armour. It is physically and practically impossible to make, and just because it looks cool doesnt mean we should make it.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:17 am

wow... why is this even being discussed? haha, it so ridiculously lore breaking it hurts my head to even imagine anyone wanting it in the game

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:31 am

Comrade Smith wrote:crystal skulls would be odd to find lying around and so I was off on the price who cares I was thinking of todays value which is cheap because it can now be artificaly produced

While 'diamond' can be artificially produced it's not usually of the same quality of naturally occuring diamonds and aren't usually used for jewelery as people want the 'real deal' though it is now possible to make artificial diamonds pretty much any colour you want from pink to black. It all depends on the impurities that are added during creation.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:20 pm

well all I have to say to this is no it can not go ahead

P.S they cut off my streets water today

dedricarcher · Post by **dedricarcher** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:57 am

diamond armor would be cool but it would have a few flaws
first,
it wouuld be unrealistic if it was not able to be scratched and it would also be way too expensive
but
it would have a good armor rating

Devon8999 · Post by **Devon8999** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:39 am

there could be diamond studded armour but the other material would have to be some sort of hide or cloth.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:01 am

I don't know if someone's already said this because I only read the first five posts, not the whole four pages. Anyways: Why not? Glass is Brittle, but it is an armor in morrowind. However, anywho, I frankly just don't like the image I get. I say nay.

Lord Elias · Post by **Lord Elias** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:59 pm

Arrrgggrhhhhh.....Some extremly powerful wizard could made a diamond armor.(With magic,of course)I dont see how nobody got that idea.But diamond armor sucks.I wote for diamond weapons.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:42 pm

Glass and diamonds in Tamriel are different from ours. Diamonds don't "grow" in rocks. But I also say nay for diamond armor.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:04 am

same here... a looooooooong time ago it was said dthat glass was made different and strong and junk, but im tooooo lazy to quote it

wishmaster · Post by **wishmaster** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:03 pm

If we added diamond armor, we could added wooden armor too

NO DIAMOND ARMOR!!!

If u should have worn a complete set of diamonds all around your body, it would be like wearing all Bill Gates' money... NO WAY!