Large citys or many tiny outposts?

Rian · Post by **Rian** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:42 pm

i know that it is a little early to be asking about this since mmost of morrowind isn't finished, but i was curious.

Will dwemer citys in the other provinces be large citys (which they should be considering their distance from morrowind) or just tiny out posts.

i was thinking that if they were just tiny outposts, this would make them smaller than the smallest ruin that we ever saw in morrowind, because they are not in their home province.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:51 pm

i think that we should at least have 1 huge dwemer city.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:52 pm

If you are referring to Dwemer cities where Dwemer live, I don't think that will fit into lore. There is a thread on the Dwemer's extinction here:

http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=1462

Though I may not have quite understood what you meant by Dwemer cities - There are a few guys who are into the Dwemer quite heavily - Aaron and (I think) Stalker...

Rian · Post by **Rian** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:11 pm

no no, i didn't mean existing colonies.

i meant ruins, like what was on vvardenfell!

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:34 pm

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:44 pm

I am pretty sure Dwemer ruins are all over Tamriel, just in a much lower density than in Morrowind.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:51 pm

We had this topic before I believe. What we came to was that there would be less Dwemer Ruins outside Morrowind, however they would likely be much more important(reason for being there besides needing population growth room) and more centralized, in other words bigger and better, needing to sustain themselves so far from the rest of their people. They would have moved to that specific spot for a reason, resources or something but they had to have a reason and if so then it'd be worth sticking together if away from home.

Good example I'd think is where the US has built military bases outside the US. These places are typically very self-sustained compared to one in the states and are placed strategically in a place for a particular reason. They are close together but usually end up being large anyways.

Rian · Post by **Rian** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:52 pm

that is exactly what i meant turelio, thank you

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:58 pm

i meac a huge dewmer city ruin.

Fallen Murk · Post by **Fallen Murk** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:07 pm

TÃƒÂºrelio wrote:We had this topic before I believe. What we came to was that there would be less Dwemer Ruins outside Morrowind...

Not to be a pest, but can you help me find a reference thread - a search didn't yield obvious discussions on this matter.

I'm very curious about this conclusion.

Thanks in advance.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:02 pm

Hate to be a nuisance by pointing out a tiny lore problem with big Dwemer ruins elsewhere in Tamriel but they lived in Vvardenfell, as a whole race. The only Dwemer who ever left (in lore) after they settled Vvardenfell were the Rourken clan who settled Volenfell (modern Hammerfell - an anglicisation of the Dwemer: Volen = Hammer) so there would be ruins in Hammerfell like in Vvardenfell - for example the most famous being Fang Lair in the Dragontail mountains; but beyond that one offshoot - who only left because they couldn't stand living peacefully with the Dunmer - there's no other mention of Dwemer living elsewhere in Tamriel.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:38 pm

I believe in dialog it is stated that Dwemer ruins exist all over Tamriel, Ill have to find this but that was brought up last time. Also remember that the Dwemer had to of crossed some place in order to get to Vvardenfell, and so we could expect to find settlements, even if abandoned even before the Dwemer disappeared, along this route.

Unfortunatly that thread was discussed a very long time ago and I don't think it is around any more, it has probably been deleted by now.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:26 pm

But why would the Dwemer build permanent cities of any kind along the route to Vvardenfell when they're only going to up and leave in a few months or even years after they build them?

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:29 pm

Fully agree with Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n .

Earl · Post by **Earl** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:10 am

From the CS:

"Dwemer ruins" "The ruins of the lost Dwemer race are found everywhere in Tamriel, but are most common in Morrowind, once the native land of the Dwemer."

Whether those ruins constitute cities, I don't know. At the very least, they would have been research centers housing a number of Dwemer.

And to the issue of why the Dwemer would build such things so distant from home, any number of reasons could be true. Studying the stars in the sky from different earthly positions. They could have used these outposts to track the fall of Lorkhan's Heart. Measuring the relationship between the power of the Heart and distance. They could have been places where dangerous experiments were conducted -- you wouldn't want big explosions or whatnot in the main population center now would you?

And as far as distance mattering at all... The Dunmer strongholds use a method of fast travel. Why would one not consider the idea that the Dwemer could not or did not use something similar?

We don't know that the Rourken clan were the only Dwemer to leave. Just because they left does not mean that others did not. It can be safely assumed that, given the lack of mention of other unresolveable differences, whatever Dwemer lived outside Vvardenfell were on the same page as the main population.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:26 am

Fair 'nuff, but they wouldn't have been tracking the fall of Lorkhan's Heart from the skies as it was fired from Auri-El's bow and made the Red Mountain volcano long, long, long, long, long, long before there were any Dwemer at all, infact before there were any of the contemporary mortal races, only the two groups of Ehlnofey - precursors to Mer and Men.

I would suggest that given these things are rare, there shouldn't be giant colonies, medium to large research post thingies. Obviously in Hammerfell the ruins would be bigger; more there'd be proper colony settlements built by the Rourken Dwemer.

Earl · Post by **Earl** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:04 am

*shrug*

The stars are tears in Oblivion to the Aetherius, and those were created along with the rest of the Wheel. Maybe the trip Lorkhan's Heart took left some kind of less obvious (dis)similar lasting wake or disturbance or something.

I understand that ebony may be Lorkhan's blood, and so deposits can be found along the path the Heart took. While the Dwemer apparently didn't care about ebony in terms of weapons and armour, maybe it had some other use for them, or there was some phenomena associated with ebony-rich sites they did care about.

Just to play devil's advocate.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:54 pm

Hmm, well I'll concede that they maybe wished to study the tears in Oblivion, or pick up some chunks of Ebony - which I don't think is really Lorkhan's 'blood', the Dunmer call it the blood of the gods, but no one has ever suggested that it may belong to Lorkhan but if they were mining the path they think the Heart took then their settlements would roughly follow a rather linear path from somewhere in the southwest (wherever the final battle between the Gods with their Meri followers and Lorkhan and his humans - I reckon Colovia - occurred) through the central provinces and up through southeastern Morrowind to the Vvardenfell crater. This would kind of limit them to be clustered around the central areas of Tamriel.

The astronomy excuse is better IMO as it would explain their presence in some rather wierd locations like Skyrim or Elsweyr.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:05 pm

yeah, those reasons like test sites and astronomy make most sense to me. For example, a mountaintop in the vast, (then) thoroughly uninhabited arctic wilderness seems to be the PERFECT plaace for an observatory.

Also, a hammerfell badland seems to be a great place to test, say, dwemer explosives. Imagine travelling through the arid rocky wilderness, to come across a massive crater. THAT would be a sight to remember.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:20 pm

Well Hammerfell was one of the most verdent places in Tamreil when the Dwarves were around - that's why the Rourken clan went there but certainly there are places that you might see something like that - probably in Pelitine (northern Elsweyr) which is an arid wasteland.

Gleb · Post by **Gleb** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:56 pm

Dwemeri ruins in Skyrim? Remember that story about the archaeologist and his mage buddy who stopped the Dwemeri construct with cold? Most Dwemeri things seem steam-powered, which might not be very convenient in a really cold place like Skyrim.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:38 pm

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n wrote:But why would the Dwemer build permanent cities of any kind along the route to Vvardenfell when they're only going to up and leave in a few months or even years after they build them?

The move to Vvardenfell may not have been as continues as the Chimer exodus appeared to be. It may have been a long and tough process, and perhaps some along the way felt better to settle what they came across at first, IMO that would be a logical thing, even if they didnt linger to long they would still likely have stirring interests in things came across before.

Also, the Dwemer as curious folk likely had far flung research posts as mentioned before. And like I have said, unless they had a quick means of travel(the Chimer/Dunmer did, but I haven't seen much to suggest the Dwemer did), then these places would have to be self sustaining populations, and so larger, but fewer in number would be my guess(and as said they do exist in all of Tamriel).