Unusual Request: Septim's Gate Pass

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:11 am

Attached is a picture of the current Septim's Gate Pass in map 4. I think anyone would agree that it doesn't quite measure up to the other pass fortifications. It is currently situated at a whopping 1000 unit elevation above sea level (about 30 feet) and the 'mountains' around it attain astounding heights of 60 or so feet. I would like to remake this into a real border fortress, set in the giant mountains the Velothi mountains are supposed to be. Not to mention having a bit more than 6 references in a cell worth of detail (one of the other nearby cells has 2 refs). In all seriousness, I would like to make this into an exterior someone would look at and say 'wow!' just as the exteriors for the other passes through the Velothi mountains are. I would obviously raise the height of the mountains and the pass itself significantly, and create large fortifications on both sides of the pass with an operating porcullis gate across the pass itself. I know someone will suggest that I claim one of the other claims that is available instead, but this will need to be reworked at some point anyway, as there's no way it can be release in TR in it's current state, and the available claims at the moment simply don't suit my grandiose schemes

The cells I'd like to rebuild are 6 cell rectangle between -17, -12 and -16, -14. They currently contain a total of 60 references.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:13 am

Whoops, sorry, forgot to attach the picture, here's Septim's Gate Pass in all it's current muted glory

Also, here is an overhead view of the cells I'd like to change:
[url]http://img93.exs.cx/img93/6529/septimgatecells.jpg[/url]

attackdrone · Post by **attackdrone** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:42 am

Are you sure that the latest version of the claim has been merged to map4?

Edit:
On the claims map there is no claim number for it...

Also the claim, 4-22, which is the border claim directly to the south is listed as "on hold".

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:53 am

I have no idea, but I'm sure someone in the core does, so that's why I posted

Edit: I saw a smaller version of the claim map which showed it, but now I can't find it...

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:57 pm

Kothloth is in charge of map 4... I would PM him to ask him specific questions.

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:09 pm

It's probably the current version (I didn't merge it, so I wouldn't know. Eraser did I think). However from what I've heard, these areas particulary will need to be improved so if it looks rather unfinished, that's cause the modder who made it decided that no more work had to be done. Depending on how bad the claim actually is, I'll concider it to be put as a claim again.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:03 pm

Well, you can see from the pictures that it's pretty bad. Most of the cells in this claim (which is quite large) are like that, several of them have under 5 references, and one of them even has a complete copy of Valenvaryon, including NPCs, in which the npcs have simply been renamed. Also, most of the exteriors in this claim have interiors, which are for the most part poorly done as well. There are also many npcs added in this claim, and a few creatures. If you do make this available again I would recomend breaking it down into smaller claims so that it will get done faster, as right now it's quite a large claim (I'm not exactly sure how large as the claim maps seem to disagree on this point, and I can't even tell which claim number it is). Plus people are less hesitant to claim smaller claims, I personally wouldn't want to claim the whole thing and I have lots of free time, but I'd love to redo this pass

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:48 pm

Fine, you have convinced me

Feel free to completely redo it if you'd like. Which cells would you like? I cannot refresh map 4 yet though, since I don't know how you make new claims to show

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:33 am

Can't he just get the whole claim?

kingfish · Post by **kingfish** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:10 am

hermit, he doesn't want it all.

anyway, the whole claim is like that, very few refs per cell...
it's the claim #4-2 by Ben Vagara [all cells currently marked as 4-2 + all cells that arent marked].

if you are going to revoke it, could i, please, have cells from -11,-12 to -8,-14?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:42 am

I'd like cells -17, -12 to -16, -14. It's a 2x3 cell rectangle.. I will make it contain a large imperial fortification across the Septim's Gate Pass, as well as a smaller ruined stronghold style fortification a little further into Morrowind, to represent an earlier Dunmer/Chimer fortification of the same pass. Or, alternatively, if the core thinks it would be alright (I think it would look very interesting) I could build the imperial fortifications on top of the ruins of the older Dunmer/Chimer fortifactions, integrating them into it's foundations (I think this would look the best). The rest of the claim would be mainly empty (of manmade stuff), with maybe a velothi tower and a cave or two.

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:05 am

Zephyr must get back to show me how the map browser tool works first though

Right now, map 4 is a mess because I don't know how to add new claims to the map. If he hasn't shown up before the weekend (about tomorrow then:P ) I'll grant this anyways.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:19 am

BTW Septim's Gate in it's current state is a copy of Gnisis fort...

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:07 pm

Welp... it's the weekend! So lemee know

Dragon · Post by **Dragon** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:13 pm

Well, he kinda already said he granted it

Also, be a man! Do the whole claim

(just some friendly pressure

)

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:19 pm

Yes. Do the whole claim. Less work for me that way

I got the hang about the map though, so might be able to add the claim there anyways. Remember not to make it ÃƒÂ¼ber though

EDIT:

Your claim is added to the map. It's 4-33

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:37 am

Alright, well, just so you know I've hardly done any exteriors, so don't go demanding I do the whole claim until you've seen if I'm any good with them

Plus the claims is well... HUGE. I don't think I could do the whole thing and do it well, but I might take another bite of it after I finish this. Oh, one question, should I match the borders to the surrounding parts of that claim (4-2? Whatever this one is a peice of)? Or should I not bother since it's likely to be redone anyway (and I feel the mountains are too short in it).

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:58 am

Use the terrain in the current 4-2 version. Cut out the cells that isn't yours with TESAME and you'll have a perfectly aligned claim. It's the detail you need to improve afterall

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:59 am

Ah, yes, that's much easier, thank you, as I said I'm not experianced with exteriors