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Lo chaps, I am not sure wether to bother submitting this idea to the BoT forum as it would take quite a while to finish it and I don't want to waste hours upon hours only for it not to be used. I wanted to give the Altmer more of a voice and present their take on the Empire at the time the Pocket Guide to the Empire came out and so I have prepared a small preface and the first part of such a guide, I know I'm no Tolkein and my writing probably sux but I wanna get opinions on the idea and seeing as this is the lore forum and all get all you lore buffs out there to pick apart my writing.

As anyone who hangs around here will know I'm rather anal-retentive about the lore so I want a thourough combing of this for stuff I wouldn't pick up as breaching lore. I'd like to think I've covered all the bases of staying within lore but I'm only human, and not that good a representative of the species at that. Bear in mind while reading that this is the antithesis of the PGE, that was biased from a human point of view, this is in places quite fiercely biased from an Altmeri point of view but at the same time trying to do a bit of positive PR for his kind and make them seem not so heartless and arrogant; so while he will ommit certain damaging facts but the majority of it will be fairly open.

Anyway, enjoy:
A More Truthful Guide to the Empire

And it’s environs

(Being a description of the propaganda and endless lies of the Imperial Regime)

Preface to the reader: it the writer’s fond hope that this tome will at least in some small part to provide a more truthful account of the new empire in Cyrodiil and those lands who can still claim with pride their independence. Also it is hoped that this will in act to correct some of the more grievous mistruths and errors contained within that most ill-informed pamphlet ‘A Pocket Guide to the Empire and its Environs’ perhaps the most blatant collection of lies yet to be produced by human hands.

I would recommend to the reader that they should have, sampled, the Pocket Guide and its falsities prior to reading this document if only to provide some perspective on how devious are our neighbours and oppressors in Cyrodiil.

Ariyael – scholar of his majesty’s royal court in Alinor, loyal servant of the Summerset Isle Kingdom of Alinor.

2E-870


A note on racial names: it is the intention of the Empire to destroy individual culture wherever it finds it in Tamriel and so no ‘common’ names for places or people shall be used, the ‘elven’ races will be referred to by their proper names here is a short reference list of all known meri races:

Altmer – the ‘High Folk’ of the Summerset Isle
Bosmer – the ‘Wood Folk’ of Valenwood
Dunmer – the ‘Dark Folk’ of Morrowind
Dwemer – the ‘Deep Folk’ of Vvardenfell who are now extinct in their entirety as far as is known. Note: the Dwemer were NOT dwarves – they were exiled mer.
Maormer – the ‘Tropical Folk’ of Pyandonea
Falmer – the ‘Snow Folk’ of Skyrim, their actual existence is a matter of some debate, though there were once Aldmer who inhabited the northern wastes of Tamriel.
Aldmer – the ‘Elder Folk’ the common ancestors of all mer except the Ayleids.
Ayleid – the ‘Hidden Folk’ of Nibenay who preserve the ancient language and culture of our Ehlnofey forebears.
Ehlnofey – the ‘Earth Bones’ – the ancestors of all mer and the purity to which we aspire to.

Orsimer – the ‘Pariah Folk’ – commonly called ‘Orcs’ these were once Aldmer who were corrupted by the destruction of Trinimac by the Daedra Prince Boethiah – proof indisputable of the vile influence of the Daedra Lords





Part I – The Aldmeri Dominion

While it is true that the Aldmeri Dominion as it currently exists in political terms is an exceedingly recent creation, having existed less than a single Altmeri generation; it must be pointed out that ever since the middle merethic era when Valenwood was first settled by our Bosmeri cousins, the Kingdom of Alinor was acknowledged by the Kings of Valenwood, the Direnni of Balfiera and High Rock and even the Ayleids of the White Gold Tower as suzerain of all Meri lands then existing. The current so-called ‘Dominion’ is merely a reaffirmation of the political, cultural and racial bond that has always existed between the Altmer and Bosmer, the humans in their tawdry courts in Cyrodiil, in their lust for power concoct these falsities to foment tension among the Bosmer, implying that they come as saviours from the Altmeri ‘yoke’ when in fact they seek only the enslavement of all Tamriel under their heavy-handed and illegal rule. The Altmeri legions did not have to invade Valenwood, we were welcomed by our cousins wherever we went, ‘twas not an invasion by any means, more a triumphant march north to meet the armies of the Colovian Estate who sought not territorial concessions, but to annex to themselves the entire Bosmeri Kingdom.

The Altmer did not even insist on the inheritance of Valenwood, merely we accepted the fealty of Camoran Anaxemes which he gave gladly. The Bosmer are more free under our suzerainty than ever they would have been under the rule of Colovia.

The Pocket Guide takes an opportunity in it’s version of this historical account to present our soldiers as effete and useless, lacking in military skill, quite the opposite is in fact true, while I make no claim that we have been always victorious on the field as the evidence attributes. Certainly the Colovians and now the Imperial Legions have had to fight with much tenacity to maintain their borders and our border patrols only return ‘in tatters’ due to the immense numerical superiority of the Legions – something to be expected from this barbarous empire, hellbent on conquest.

I will now describe our most elegant culture speaking not from scraps of scribbling by an old fool, but from my own experience having been blessed by the gods to have spent many of my years there. While it is the common belief of many Altmer that we are the only perfect race, a number of Altmer acknowledge our bond of kinship with the Bosmer and Dunmer, even the reclusive Ayleids as granting them some right in the inheritance of Tamriel. It is an outright lie that we have bred ourselves into a racial purity, we have always been perfect and have had no need to alter our appearance in any way, there is much diversity in our individual attributes and the thought of infanticide of one of our kind is horrifying to many Altmer.

Our culture is a vibrant one, much art, architecture and high magicka is ours to claim, certainly we appreciate it far more than any human could and while many Altmer are exceedingly formal in attitude to the human eye, in fact we convey much by gestures and physical languages of a more subtle nature than humans would appreciate.

Having put right the wrongs done my own kind in the Imperial propaganda I feel I might now extend this service to our cousins in Valenwood, the Bosmer are a product of the machinations of Y’ffre, the earthbones who sought to rescue them from the cruelties of Azura who would make beasts of them. They did not choose their damnation as did the Dunmer or the extinct Dwemer, they are however, no longer pure as are the Altmer and so live as close as is permitted in the forests of Valenwood. They have their own customs and culture, dissimilar to ours but still superior to any that could be found in human lands. They have ultimate respect for the land and all that it provides. We do not carry this respect as far as they do for the Altmer are tied to Auri-El while the Bosmer are the servants of Y’ffre who would have them not harm any of his creations. The Bosmer make fine archers and light infantry and are loyal so long as they believe in the cause of their leaders, most would never willingly serve the Empire and despise the Imperial intrusion into their sacred forests for they come to destroy the plant life and to create ugly stone buildings and crude roads that destroy the beauty of Valenwood.

The wild hunt is that part of their history that the Bosmer are ashamed of and rightly so. It is a reminder of the times when there were no natural laws, no order and only the chaos that the Dunmer so worship, mer would become beast and then mer again until Y’ffre fixed us all in our forms by his sacrifice to make the earthbones. The Bosmer were evidently not as secured in their new bodies as they would have thought and can, by extreme force of will become a pack of ravenous demons that will exact vengeance on any who cross them or defile their sacred forests.

Valenwood itself is a land of dense forests and jungles with little in the way of actual buildings, the Bosmer are careful not to interfere with their environment and much though it annoys the King in Alinor he will not force our civilisation upon the Bosmer as now is a time for unity among the mer, if we are to overthrow the tyrannous human government in Cyrodiil we must be united or all will eventually fall to the Imperial armies. Those most hideous forts and settlements that the last Empire constructed have fallen into decay and disrepair since the collapse of the Potentate and there are now virtually no humans at all in the entire Kingdom.
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Checked for grammar:
A More Truthful Guide to the Empire and its Environs

(Being the bringing to account of the propaganda and endless lies of the Imperial Regime)

Preface to the reader: it is the writer’s fond hope that this tome will _ in some small part [assist in providing?] a more truthful account of the new empire in Cyrodiil and those lands that still claim their independence with pride. It is hoped, also, that this will aid in the correction of the more grievous mistruths and errors contained within that most ill-informed pamphlet ‘A Pocket Guide to the Empire and its Environs;’ perhaps the most blatant collection of lies yet to be produced (Maybe gathered? Or collated?) by human hands.

I would recommend to the reader that they should have (perused? studied?) the Pocket Guide and its falseties prior to reading this document, if only to provide some perspective on how devious our neighbours and oppressors in Cyrodiil truly are.

Ariyael – scholar of his majesty’s royal court in Alinor, loyal servant of the Summerset Isle Kingdom of Alinor.

2E-870

A note on racial names: it is the intention of the Empire to destroy individual culture wherever it is found in Tamriel. Thus, no ‘common’ names for places or people shall be used; the ‘elven’ races will be referred to by their proper names. Following is a short reference list of all known meri races:


You may consider rearranging the order of these, though you may have already done this. I can see no specific order, but in a truly non-biased list, alphabetical is the way to go.

Altmer – the ‘High Folk’ of the Summerset Isle.
(I think it would be Summurset Isle and not the Summurset Isle, as Summurset Isle is the full and proper name)
Bosmer – the ‘Wood Folk’ of Valenwood.
Dunmer – the ‘Dark Folk’ of Morrowind.
Dwemer – the ‘Deep Folk’ of Vvardenfell who are now extinct in their entirety as far as is known. Note: the Dwemer were NOT dwarves – they were exiled mer.

{Maybe: Dwemer – the ‘Deep Folk’ of Vvardenfell who are now widely believed to be extinct in their entirety. Note: the Dwemer were NOT dwarves – they were exiled mer. Or similar}
Maormer – the [so-called?] ‘Tropical Folk’ of Pyandonea
Falmer – the ‘Snow Folk’ of Skyrim. Their actual existence is a matter of some debate, though there were once Aldmer who inhabited the northern wastes of Tamriel.
Aldmer – the ‘Elder Folk;’ common ancestors of all mer except the Ayleids.
Ayleid – the ‘Hidden Folk’ of Nibenay, who preserve the ancient language and culture of our Ehlnofey forebears.
Ehlnofey – the ‘Earth Bones;’ ancestors of all mer and the purity to which
(we? might need to look into this) aspire_.

Orsimer – the ‘Pariah Folk’ – commonly called ‘Orcs,’ these were once Aldmer who were corrupted due to the destruction of Trinimac by the Daedra Prince Boethiah – proof indisputable of the vile influence of the Daedra Lords.


Part I – The Aldmeri Dominion

While it is true that the Aldmeri Dominion as it currently exists in political terms is an exceedingly recent creation, having existed less than a single Altmeri generation, it must be pointed out that ever since the middle merethic era when Valenwood was first settled by our Bosmeri cousins, the Kingdom of Alinor was acknowledged by the Kings of Valenwood, the Direnni of Balfiera and High Rock and even the Ayleids of the White Gold Tower as suzerain of all Meri lands then existing. The current so-called ‘Dominion’ is merely a reaffirmation of the political, cultural and racial bond that has always existed between the Altmer and Bosmer. The humans in their tawdry courts in Cyrodiil, in their lust for power, concoct these falsities to foment tension among the Bosmer, implying that they come as saviours from the Altmeri ‘yoke,’ when in fact they seek only the enslavement of all Tamriel under their heavy-handed and illegal rule. The Altmeri legions did not have to invade Valenwood; we were welcomed by our cousins wherever we went. ‘Twas not an invasion by any means; more a triumphant march north to meet the armies of the Colovian Estate who sought not territorial concessions, but to annex to themselves the entire Bosmeri Kingdom.

The Altmer did not even insist on the inheritance of Valenwood. We merely accepted the fealty of Camoran Anaxemes, which he gave gladly. The Bosmer are freer under our suzerainty than they ever would have been under the rule of Colovia.

The Pocket Guide takes an opportunity in its version of this historical account to present our soldiers as effete, useless and lacking in military skill. Quite the opposite is in fact true, and while I make no claim that we have been always victorious on the field as the evidence attributes, certainly the Colovians and now the Imperial Legions have had to fight with much tenacity to maintain their borders. Our border patrols only return ‘in tatters’ due to the immense numerical superiority of the Legions – something to be expected from this barbarous empire, hell-bent on conquest.

I will now describe our most elegant culture, speaking not from scraps of [scribbling?] by an old fool, but from my own experience; having been blessed by the gods to have spent many of my years there. While it is the common belief of many Altmer that we are the only perfect race, a number of Altmer acknowledge our bond of kinship with the Bosmer, Dunmer and even the reclusive Ayleids as granting them some right in the inheritance of Tamriel. It is an outright lie that we have bred ourselves into _ racial purity - we have always been perfect and have had no need to alter our appearance in any way. There is much diversity in our individual attributes and the thought of infanticide of one of our kind is horrifying to many Altmer.

Our culture is a vibrant one. Much art, architecture and high magicka is ours to claim - certainly we appreciate it far more than any human could and while many Altmer are exceedingly formal in attitude to the human eye, we in fact convey much by gestures and physical languages of a more subtle nature than humans would [could?] appreciate.

Having put right the wrongs done to my own kind in the Imperial propaganda, I feel I might now extend this service to our cousins in Valenwood. The Bosmer are a product of the machinations of Y’ffre, the earthbones who sought to rescue them from the cruelties of Azura, who would make beasts of them - they did not choose their damnation as did the Dunmer or the extinct Dwemer. They are however, no longer pure [as are the Altmer - already been stated] and so live as close as is permitted, in the forests of Valenwood. They have their own customs and culture, dissimilar to ours but still superior to any that could be found in human lands. They have ultimate respect for the land and all that it provides. We do not carry this respect as far as they do, for the Altmer are tied to Auri-El while the Bosmer are the servants of Y’ffre, who would have them not harm any of his creations. The Bosmer make fine archers and light infantry and are loyal so long as they believe in the cause of their leaders. Most would never willingly serve the Empire and despise the Imperial intrusion into their sacred forests, for they come to destroy the plant life {and to create ugly stone buildings and crude roads that destroy the beauty of Valenwood.
- sounds rushed}

The wild hunt is that part of their history that the Bosmer are ashamed of and rightly so. It is a reminder of the times when there were no natural laws, no order and only the chaos that the Dunmer so worship. Mer would become beast and then mer again, until Y’ffre fixed us all in our forms by his sacrifice to make the earthbones. The Bosmer were evidently not as secured in their new bodies as they would have thought and can by extreme force of will, become a pack of ravenous demons that will exact vengeance on any who cross them or defile their sacred forests.

Valenwood itself is a land of dense forests and jungles, with little in the way of actual buildings, the Bosmer are careful not to interfere with their environment and as much as this annoys the King in Alinor, he will not force our civilisation upon the Bosmer, as now is a time for unity among the mer; if we are to overthrow the tyrannous human government in Cyrodiil we must be united,
or all will eventually fall to the Imperial armies. Those most hideous forts and settlements that the last Empire constructed have fallen into decay and disrepair since the collapse of the Potentate and there are now virtually no humans _ in the entire Kingdom.
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Could a global mod move this to the Lit forum? Thanks.
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Fair enough move it, I really should run through my grammar a lot more before posting this sort of thing few things that were fine in my version:

'falseties' - I thought this aswell but my spellchecker corrected it to 'falsities'
The order of the Meri races - the list is kind of biased - the Altmer obviously would be listed first as the scribe is Altmeri and in reality does consider himself above the other meri races but I'll rearrange it, AFAIK Maormer really does mean tropical folk. I listed the Orsimer separately as they aren't considered mer anymore by the Altmer.
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I suggest you to change the name to something like: "Truthful Guide to Human Empire of Tamriel" to say that it's men empire, not mer.
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I really should run through my grammar a lot more before posting this sort of thing.
I just had a spare 25 or so minutes, and I think the book is a good idea. :)
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Sorry, I've only skimmed these posts, but has the fact that the Pocket Guide was written in Tiber Septim's days been covered?
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Wouldn't have the first clue. I checked for grammar, not lore. :)
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Ah, stumpy, we've come to expect the random from you. But, if that's what you want, here ya go:

:evil: :evil: YOU SPAMMING BASTARD! NEVER NEVER NEVER DO THAT AGAIN, OR YOU SHALL FACE CONSEQUENCES MOST DIRE! DOOM!!!!! :evil:

Well, there ya go.

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Sorry I meant to put something like: Stumpy, stop being an arse, posting useless shit like that llama it's really unhelpful. How's that? BTW no one loves you here - we all really hate you! (j/k) :lol: :mrgreen:

If you would take note of the author's preface after his name the year is given - 2E870, not sure wether they always used CE for the second era like the imperials did so until someone can say for certain the Altmer use CE I'd prefer it to be 2E.

Version 2.0:

A More Truthful Guide to the Empire and its Environs

(Being the bringing to account of the propaganda and endless lies of the Imperial Regime)

Preface to the reader: it is the writer’s fond hope that this tome will in some small part assist in providing a more truthful account of the new empire in Cyrodiil and those lands that still claim their independence with pride. It is hoped, also, that this will aid in the correction of the more grievous mistruths and errors contained within that most ill-informed pamphlet ‘A Pocket Guide to the Empire and its Environs;’ perhaps the most blatant collection of lies yet to be produced by human hands.

I would recommend to the reader that they should have studied the Pocket Guide and its falsities prior to reading this document, if only to provide some perspective on how devious our neighbours and oppressors in Cyrodiil truly are.

Ariyael – scholar of his majesty’s royal court in Alinor, loyal servant of the Summerset Isle Kingdom of Alinor.

2E-870

A note on racial names: it is the intention of the Empire to destroy individual culture wherever it is found in Tamriel. Thus, no ‘common’ names for places or people shall be used; the ‘elven’ races will be referred to by their proper names. Following is a short reference list of all known meri races:

Aldmer – the ‘Elder Folk;’ common ancestors of all mer except the Ayleids.
Altmer – the ‘High Folk’ of the Sumurset Isle.
Ayleid – the ‘Hidden Folk’ of Nibenay, who preserve the ancient language and culture of our Ehlnofey forebears.
Bosmer – the ‘Wood Folk’ of Valenwood.
Dunmer – the ‘Dark Folk’ of Morrowind.
Dwemer – the ‘Deep Folk’ of Vvardenfell who are now widely believed to be extinct in their entirety. Note: the Dwemer were NOT dwarves – they were exiled mer.
Ehlnofey – the ‘Earth Bones’; ancestors of all mer and the purity to which (we? might need to look into this) aspire.
Falmer – the ‘Snow Folk’ of Skyrim. Their actual existence is a matter of some debate, though there were once Aldmer who inhabited the northern wastes of Tamriel.
Maormer – the ‘Tropical Folk’ of Pyandonea.
Orsimer – the ‘Pariah Folk’ – commonly called ‘Orcs,’ these were once Aldmer who were corrupted due to the destruction of Trinimac by the Daedra Prince Boethiah – proof indisputable of the vile influence of the Daedra Lords.


Part I – The Aldmeri Dominion

While it is true that the Aldmeri Dominion as it currently exists in political terms is an exceedingly recent creation, having existed less than a single Altmeri generation, it must be pointed out that ever since the middle merethic era when Valenwood was first settled by our Bosmeri cousins, the Kingdom of Alinor was acknowledged by the Kings of Valenwood, the Direnni of Balfiera and High Rock and even the Ayleids of the White Gold Tower as suzerain of all Meri lands then existing. The current so-called ‘Dominion’ is merely a reaffirmation of the political, cultural and racial bond that has always existed between the Altmer and Bosmer. The humans in their tawdry courts in Cyrodiil, in their lust for power, concoct these falsities to foment tension among the Bosmer, implying that they come as saviours from the Altmeri ‘yoke,’ when in fact they seek only the enslavement of all Tamriel under their heavy-handed and illegal rule. The Altmeri legions did not have to invade Valenwood; we were welcomed by our cousins wherever we went. ’Twas not an invasion by any means; more a triumphant march north to meet the armies of the Colovian Estate who sought not territorial concessions, but to annex to themselves the entire Bosmeri Kingdom.

The Altmer did not even insist on the inheritance of Valenwood. We merely accepted the fealty of Camoran Anaxemes, which he gave gladly. The Bosmer are freer under our suzerainty than they ever would have been under the rule of Colovia.

The Pocket Guide takes an opportunity in its version of this historical account to present our soldiers as effete, useless and lacking in military skill. Quite the opposite is in fact true, and while I make no claim that we have been always victorious on the field as the evidence attributes, certainly the Colovians and now the Imperial Legions have had to fight with much tenacity to maintain their borders. Our border patrols only return ‘in tatters’ due to the immense numerical superiority of the Legions – something to be expected from this barbarous empire, hell-bent on conquest.

I will now describe our most elegant culture, speaking not from scraps of scribbling by an old fool, but from my own experience; having been blessed by the gods to have spent many of my years there. While it is the common belief of many Altmer that we are the only perfect race, a number of Altmer acknowledge our bond of kinship with the Bosmer, Dunmer and even the reclusive Ayleids as granting them some right in the inheritance of Tamriel. It is an outright lie that we have bred ourselves into racial purity - we have always been perfect and have had no need to alter our appearance in any way. There is much diversity in our individual attributes and the thought of infanticide of one of our kind is horrifying to many Altmer.

Our culture is a vibrant one. Much art, architecture and high magicka is ours to claim - certainly we appreciate it far more than any human could and while many Altmer are exceedingly formal in attitude to the human eye, we in fact convey much by gestures and physical languages of a more subtle nature than humans could appreciate.

Having put right the wrongs done to my own kind in the Imperial propaganda, I feel I might now extend this service to our cousins in Valenwood. The Bosmer are a product of the machinations of Y’ffre, the earthbones who sought to rescue them from the cruelties of Azura, who would make beasts of them - they did not choose their damnation as did the Dunmer or the extinct Dwemer. They are however, no longer pure and so live as close as is permitted, in the forests of Valenwood. They have their own customs and culture, dissimilar to ours but still superior to any that could be found in human lands. They have ultimate respect for the land and all that it provides. We do not carry this respect as far as they do, for the Altmer are tied to Auri-El while the Bosmer are the servants of Y’ffre, who would have them not harm any of his creations. The Bosmer make fine archers and light infantry and are loyal so long as they believe in the cause of their leaders. Most would never willingly serve the Empire and despise the Imperial intrusion into their sacred forests, for they come to destroy the plant life and to erect their rather pathetic attempts at buildings.

The wild hunt is that part of their history that the Bosmer are ashamed of and rightly so. It is a reminder of the times when there were no natural laws, no order and only the chaos that the Dunmer so worship. Mer would become beast and then mer again, until Y’ffre fixed us all in our forms by his sacrifice to make the earthbones. The Bosmer were evidently not as secured in their new bodies as they would have thought and can by extreme force of will, become a pack of ravenous demons that will exact vengeance on any who cross them or defile their sacred forests.

Valenwood itself is a land of dense forests and jungles, with little in the way of actual buildings, the Bosmer are careful not to interfere with their environment and as much as this annoys the King in Alinor, he will not force our civilisation upon the Bosmer, as now is a time for unity among the mer; if we are to overthrow the tyrannous human government in Cyrodiil we must be united,
or all will eventually fall to the Imperial armies. Those most hideous forts and settlements that the last Empire constructed have fallen into decay and disrepair since the collapse of the Potentate and there are now virtually no humans in the entire Kingdom.


Incorporates most of Vernon's grammar changes, (BTW Vernon - falsities is spelt right I checked dictionary.com just to be sure - they don't even have falsety/falseties as an alternate/archaic/american spelling). I debated changing the title to include 'human empire' but it wouldn't really need 'human' there as everyone would know which empire they're talking about - THE Empire, there's only one (at any given time) no one else called their lands an empire, the mer have their kingdoms (Alinor, Valenwood and Morrowind) the Khajiit have the Elsweyr Confederacy and the Argonians don't really have didly-squat.

One last thing - should I add Khajiit to the list of meri races? Given that I included Orsimer it would be a bit unfair to the furry little gits.
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I like it. I am gonna have a look at it more after class.
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Marauth Alaí-Raán wrote:I debated changing the title to include 'human empire' but it wouldn't really need 'human' there as everyone would know which empire they're talking about - THE Empire, there's only one (at any given time) no one else called their lands an empire, the mer have their kingdoms (Alinor, Valenwood and Morrowind) the Khajiit have the Elsweyr Confederacy and the Argonians don't really have didly-squat.
Of course it's understandable about which Empire he's talking. BUT Altmer are the most snobbish race among all elves. They thing that all other races are below them. So he:
a) must write it in this manner (I haven't read the whole thing and I don't know if he is)
b) must always point out that Alter are not only high in height but in everything
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Ayleid – the ‘Hidden Folk’ of Nibenay who preserve the ancient language and culture of our Ehlnofey forebears.
Don't know about the language, but most certainly NOT the culture of the Ehlnofey. Remember the descriptions of the Imperial City back when it was ruled by Ayleids? THAT was the culture of the Ehlnofey. Now they live hiding from other races. Maybe some parts of the great ancient culture remain, but surely not the entire culture.
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Stalker wrote:
Marauth Alaí-Raán wrote:I debated changing the title to include 'human empire' but it wouldn't really need 'human' there as everyone would know which empire they're talking about - THE Empire, there's only one (at any given time) no one else called their lands an empire, the mer have their kingdoms (Alinor, Valenwood and Morrowind) the Khajiit have the Elsweyr Confederacy and the Argonians don't really have didly-squat.
Of course it's understandable about which Empire he's talking. BUT Altmer are the most snobbish race among all elves. They thing that all other races are below them. So he:
a) must write it in this manner (I haven't read the whole thing and I don't know if he is)
b) must always point out that Alter are not only high in height but in everything

Yes, Stalker is write. Altmer are quite snobish, and perhaps thats why I like them. And if an Altmer was truely offended by this, I am sure here would write a few false things in the guide. What things? I do not know. But perhaps he would write little notes around saying things like this: "they are particularly barabaric and have no style of fation. The entire race is so "de-classey" and have no sense of table manners what so ever". Well, if I were a snobish Altmer, I think I would be talking about Orcs, since I am sure the Altmer would have a good few laughs talking about these creatures. You can essentially make it accordingly to lore, and add some humor to it on the bases that an Altmer, who seems to be slightly, if not totaly conceided wrote it. This was my suggestion. And then again I love the Altmer and do not think that all of them are snobs. So if any Altmer-lover, like myself, feels hurt, well, you have perfect rights to rip my heart out. So thats how I see this pocket guide.
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...the lack of reactions to my ridiculously off-topic and retarted post are starting to concern me. If I would yell at someone for it, then you should yell at me for it. I'm not special just because you all love me, I have to follow the anti-spam rules too and your acceptance of that sort of behavior may be interpreted as favoritism by new members. I don't like it. So cut it out.
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Thanks all for the comments and to Jacurutu for moving and bumping, 'k:

@ Stalker: if you read it you'll find that the author is rascist towards humans, but not so much towards the other mer, he is a scholar and therefore not quite as conceited as the nobility of the Altmer and so doesn't have as many prejudices towards the other mer, except the Dunmer as he sees them as having chosen their 'disgrace' - that will be played up a bit when I do the bit on Morrowind. All the human lands will be written ina highly rascist manner, but he'll be matter of fact about it, like a 19th C. englishman would describe a black or indian man as being below him - the englishman wouldn't think it was rascist, as far as he is concerned it's just the way things are.

@ Darth_Blade: I must quote from the latest version of the book 'On Wild Elves':

In the wilds of most every province of Tamriel, descended philosophically if not directly from the original inhabitants of the land, are the Ayleids, commonly called the Wild Elves. While three races of Elven stock -- the Altmer (or High Elves), the Bosmer (or Wood Elves), and the Dunmer (or Dark Elves) -- have assimilated well into the new cultures of Tamriel, the Ayleids and their brethren have remained aloof toward our civilization, preferring to practice the old ways far from the eyes of the world.

while this contains innacuracies re: their language it does tell us that they practice 'the old ways' which I take to mean they have preserved at least their cultural practices if not their high lifestyle from when they ruled from the White-Gold Tower. On their language the book says:

'The Wild Elves speak a variation of Old Cyrodilic, opting to shun Tamrielic and separating themselves from the mainstream of Tamriel even further than the least urbanized of their Elven cousins.'

Now, Old Cyrodiilic has now in recent lore been made into a human language, spoken by the Cyro-Nords who inhabited Nibenay before the Empire adopted Tamrielic. This was made by adapting Altmeri to human needs. Cyrodiilic is not a meri tongue at all and I can only infer that if they shun modern languages that the Ayleids must speak one of the older meri languages before Altmeri became the standard.

This limits us to Aldmeri, or Ehlnofex. Given that Aldmeri is still spoken by many Altmer and even some human sholars, and further given that the Ayleids have always derided the 'normal' mer ever since before they were forced out of the White-Gold Tower this suggested (at least to me) that they wouldn't even want to speak Aldmeri as it would lower them to the level of the 'humanised' mer.

@ dagoth_mishka: worry not I myself love the Altmer and while this Altmer in particular is not quite the stereotypical conceited, snobbish, blue-blooded fop who's completely up 'is own arse, he is still biased and there will be a fair bit of racism, I already commented to Stalker his being a scholar and less prejudiced than the average mer-on-the-street if you will.

Re: the orcs, he'll be kind of sympathetic to their plight but uncompromising that they should be kept away from civilised society, like you'd feel sorry for a person with a terminal illness, but you still wouldn't want to go near them if you think it's air-borne, sorry but it's the best metaphor I could ad-lib in 5 secs. This you can see already in how he describes the Bosmer. The only mer he really hates are the Dunmer as I already explained as he sees them as casting themselves down rather than being subject to the whim of the gods.

Tonight I will be writing the next section erm, I think it's Cyrodiil, I think I'll just go by alphabetical order (Argonia will be included in the 'wild regions' section). I'll also be making a few more changes to the Aldmeri Dominion part as I'm not really happy with some of the long-winded sections and want to add a little snippet on the languages of the Altmer and Bosmer.
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I'm going to mark this as waiting on compilation
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