Map 2 Detailing Area 9 [Swiftoak Woodwarrior] Discussion

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:10 am

Deal, TF.

411:

Im finished changing out the int set
will now start swapping clutter

Issue:

Temple does not have corresponding mesh: will build temple like abbey with 2 parts: 1 outer, 1 dome

18 does not have corresponding mesh: Need an answer for this one. Possible solution, switch ext.

15 does not fit exterior: will redo cell

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:14 am

give me the claim id for what you are rebuilding and I will switch it to you when all is said and done.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:35 am

Thank you so much Hem! You can't believe how much I appreciate this.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:36 am

SO, what about 18? Can you change out the exterior?

Post by **Swiftoak** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:00 am

Yeah, for sure! Just show me a quick birdseye of the interior you will be working on and I will make the switch.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:53 am

I pmed the picture of FQ18 to you.

Final issue besides 18:

Though a temple has been created for the FQ, there is no temple present there. It also doesn't make sense for there to be a temple in the Fq is there is one in the city itself. In fact there are several temples in Necrom proper. My suggestion is to trash this interior.

Other than these two ints, my work is completed. I await your decisions.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:09 am

Is it a full blown temple? If it is only small it could work as a chapel. If it is a full-blown temple, it could just be used on a later map.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:24 am

It didn't fit the exterior anyway and its shape is pretty unique. So I think we should scrap the temple away and possibly replace it with a fighters guild?

Post by **Swiftoak** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:42 pm

If we scrap the FQ temple, I'd probably make it some monastery or abbey in the wilderness for travellers. No need to waste an interior, and if there any fixes needed to be done I can do them.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:43 pm

I just pmed the plugin to TF. I also redid the watchtower. Lucky I was spotchecking for velothi parts in TR ints when I came upon it.

Sidenote: alot of these interiors were not snapgridded. It's clear that at one time they were snapgridded but then someone moved the ints around causing the decimals. In those cases, I simply replaced the int set manually. They are seamless nonetheless.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:16 pm

if an interior is perfect but not on the grid, you do know you can select one interior shell piece, then every other item in the interior and move them onto the grid right?

I will review the plugin first chance I get.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:14 pm

you learn something new everyday.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:08 pm

Post by **Swiftoak** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:17 pm

Thanks guys!

I merged the interiors for the FQ again, renamed a few cells, cleaned stuff up, and fixed up the buildings so the interiors fit.

The temple that used to be in Neommaeor has been moved to the wilderness as a pilgrim's rest place thingy.

Someone needs to open a claim for the Fighter's Guild though. The shape is exactly the same as the Mages' guild. After that all the FQ ints will be done.

In the meantime I'll merge any remaining Manor interiors as well as some of the new interiors in Old City that have been completed.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:21 pm

screenshot of the exterior please (with the interior labeled)

Post by **Swiftoak** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:19 pm

[url=http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=necfgdy4.jpg][img]http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/835/necfgdy4.th.jpg[/img][/url]

The left is an overhead of the Mages Guild for reference only. I suggest you take the same shape for the interior shell, or something similar to the FG.

The right is an overhead shot of the FG exterior shell.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:33 pm

Okay guys, update time.

Manor District interior work mostly. I provided a new map providing you guys with a list of merged interiors, as well as new ones. (Yeah sorry if I'm straining the interior modding department). Mostly I noticed the Manor area lacked shops for rich people. The mortuaries and any remaining interiors (ones that didn't fit) have been relocated to different districts so no worries, anything in there that hasn't been used will be used.

[Removed. Amended post below!!!]

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:55 pm

don't forget #10

Post by **Swiftoak** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:07 pm

Ahh I forgot. 10 will also be an apartment-ish place.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:19 pm

Again some other interior claims. Are you sure that you'll be able to use all the created interiors of Necrom?
I thought that you could use every interior from the old (read veet's version) necrom manor district into your new manor quarter and create perhaps a new shop district.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:53 pm

If you're talking about the old interior version, they were all redone, the majority by me.

Plus we have yet to see what SW did with the Foreign Quarter. He may have expanded on it.

EDIT:

Unassigned interiors total 19, I counted them using the finished interiors section and your two maps. I wrote down which ones if you want them. oh I forgot. The 19 does not include the FQ. They are mainly residential and manor.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:27 pm

By un-assigned you mean the ones that haven't been merged right?

Alot of those are guard towers and those come later. Plus the mortuaries which I've moved. Only a few houses are left, and none of them fit with any of the exterior so I'm going to do something creative with them to put them back somewhere. It will be done.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:03 pm

The 18 does not include the towers, mortuaries or abbeys/temples; that's a separate list.

By unassigned I mean that they may already be in your WIP but they haven't been connected to the exterior. Mind you this is only as true as your last WIP. No doubt you have assigned more since the last WIP.

EDIT:

Ints without a home i2-(85, 34, 36, 37, 35, 38, 27, 88, 43, 80, 89, 92,71, 44, 24, 95, 45, 26)

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:56 am

SW, I don't want to offend you but i2-85 could be nr 2.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:39 pm

You have my complete faith, SO.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:04 pm

Thanks guys

Unfortunately I haven't progressed much in the last few days. My computer has been acting spazz-tastic for the last week or so, and I'm going to get it repaired before I do anything more.

It's an issue with the power supply making really loud noises, and overheating components

(Unrelated sidenote GPU @ 60C at idle, is that normal? Hard drive at 50C)

Blah anyways the file is below just incase doom comes to my PC. I've backed everything up though and hopefully the PC can be fixed in a short while. (At most a few days)

Sorry again guys.

[File deleted, newest version 0.4 in last post.]

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:09 am

I found a booboo. In Necrom, Mages Guild top floor, one of the corners is lacking a column corner. Could you copy the one next to it and replace the one lacking? You'll understand once you see it.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:12 pm

Thanks for the heads up, I took care of it.

AND DISREGARD #2 on my interior overhead view. i2-85 will be placed there instead. Apparently I missed blackbird's interior (sorry man). I'll do a sweep of Finished to see if I missed anymore and will amend this post if necessary.

DISREGARD #3, this will be i2-92.

DISREGARD #6, this is i2-70 (a rich tavern).

DISREGARD #8, this will be i2-74 with fixes.

DISREGARD #14, this is i2-88.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:16 pm

I plan on putting up that next batch of necrommies tonight, so please amend your list and screenshot by then.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:17 pm

Has anyone did any work on Lutemoth's designs for Necrom banners? Administrator, why not open a claim for the banners of Necrom. Lute's designs are gorgeous and it would be a shame not to see them in Necrom.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:30 pm

Amended list and screenshot. It was only those five that missed the boat.

Amended version. I'll erase my old post.

[img]http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5017/necint2gu0.jpg[/img]

1 - Rare bookshop.

4, 5, 9 - Manors. Normal manors, rich people, de_r stuff, make each one unique. Feel free to add something special to ensure originality.

Disregard #6

7 - Fine Alchemist.

Disregard #8

10, 11, 12 - Penthouse suites.

13 - Storage Tower for Ordinators.

Disregard #14

15 - Large wealthy manor of a devout temple follower or official.

And yes, I saw those designs. I'd love to have those hanging on street lamps and the causeway.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:46 pm

Perhaps you missed it, because it was in review then.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:56 pm

Hemitheon wrote:Has anyone did any work on Lutemoth's designs for Necrom banners? Administrator, why not open a claim for the banners of Necrom. Lute's designs are gorgeous and it would be a shame not to see them in Necrom.

What banners?

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:26 pm

@ Haplo. Look at Lutemoth's Concept Art page and scroll down a little to his Morrowind section.

@ SO

I just made a major discovery. There is an error in the Necrom Interiors. Interiors 43-47 refer to 2 interiors for 2 different areas. Example, 43 is in the FQ and in the Residential.They are not the same interior but they share the same int id.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:37 pm

Hemitheon wrote:I just made a major discovery. There is an error in the Necrom Interiors. Interiors 43-47 refer to 2 interiors for 2 different areas. Example, 43 is in the FQ and in the Residential.They are not the same interior but they share the same int id.

43 and 47? You mean i2-43, and i2-47?

Oh here's the newest file I just went on a merging spree with the new ints, as well as relocated a few buildings.

[File deleted, newest version 0.4 in last post.]

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:42 pm

no. 43, 44, 45, 46, 47 all have 2 interiors: 1 for FQ, 1 for Residential.

You have all the FQ ints. It's the Residential interiors that are in question.

Ok this is my tally of ints not assigned yet:

H8 (i2-)26,43,38,35: all are poor
H8 (i2-)36: middle class

H9 (i2-)24, 45, 71, 89: all are rich

H5 (i2-)37: poor

Composite Structure/Revoke: 34: poor

Possible Ideas:

If you move the door on #9 then you can use i2-36

the dome in the lower left corner of the manor district can be i2-45

i2-24 is a fine bookstore but it's a dome. There is always the possibility of deconstructing it and using the exterior you want.

There are still 5 poor interiors without homes. Here's an idea. Why not use H8 (2 floors) instead of H4 (1 floor) on 5 exteriors of the Old City and add stairs. That way you can use up the remaining poor ints.

i2-34 should be scrapped. It doesn't fit anything and should never have passed review.

As for the remaining 3 domes (assuming you use i2-45): you can use them in the Temple district and make them the homes of priests.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:47 pm

Those inkings don't appear to be quite ready for use as model bases, plus they aren't really any priority at all for the few modelers we have. They need to focus instead on tile sets and other things for Oblivion so we can move past the stage we've been on for a year.

We may add them later, retroactively, as time permits.

Swiftoak, how close is Necrom to being finished(minus the temple)?

Post by **Swiftoak** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:50 pm

FADFJLSD [/brain-fart]

Sorry. I'm just like really tired right now. Could you please show me what you mean?

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:59 pm

see my former post.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:00 pm

Haplo, pretty close actually. Once I finish merging all the remaining interiors (which will be soon as soon as TF releases the final claims for the Manor), plus fixing those issues Hem pointed out.

All that needs to be done is vertex shading, and detailing (containers, signs, flora, windows and lights) which in itself shouldn't be an enormous task. The manor district, the old district, docks, and the foreign quarter should all be completely done in two week's time (rough estimate which also depends on the speed of the remaining interiors being completed). I hope that won't be too long.

You can download the WIP file and judge for yourself.

Hem. Good ideas! Sorry this was confusing lol. Anyways here was my plan, and it pretty much follows yours with minor differences.

There are only 4 interiors left to link in the Residential district (minus the Moth and Fire, I'm merging that as I speak). Two of the houses and the trader are still in claimed or reviewing. The two-story house will be i2-38. I accidentally renamed it Sendus' Fine books, ignore that.

I don't know what you mean about i2-34, I don't even see it on my maps or ESP. In fact I left it out completely from the ESP, but I may plan to use it somewhere else.

As for i2-26, that will be merged according to the map. In fact it's the fine armorer. Stuff inside needs to be changed accordingly though. (Mostly furniture from dr_p to de_r and adding expensive armour and weapons) I was going to ask you to do that if you weren't too tied up.

The dome in the lower left corner I indeed plan to use for i2-45. I just haven't merged them yet. (i2-71 and i2-89)

i2-43 upper and lower could be two seperate houses.

i2-37, i2-38, and i2-35 will be another three houses. So i2-43, i2-37, i2-38, and i2-35 will account for the 5 houses.

Everything works hopefully. I'll take care of placing the 5 houses right now. Anyways yeah thanks for helping me sort that out Hem.