Name Dedefecation

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:15 am

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:Wasn't it already decided that the region would keep the Roth Rothryn name? (the region surrounding and including it?)

I know my opinion doesn't matter too much, if at all around here, but I still think thats a fucking horrible name. Only because it has the same starting syllable for both words.

although In some cases its alright, I personally dont like dual named words with the same starting letters, but same starting syllables for me is just, idk.. tacky? imo.

Roth Rothryn Region , "R R R" - anymore "R's" you could be a pirate.

Edit: btw thats not an attack on anyone, just the name.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:20 am

If you look at many ancient languages, you'll find something called reduplication[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduplication], so it's nothing new to duplicate a phrase or syllable. If the name Roth Rothryn is an example of linguistic reduplication then it's origin was probably Rothrothryn [1 word].

I'd have to argue for the name because in a sense it exemplifies the ancientness of Dunmeri linguistics.

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:07 am

Agreeing with Hamitheon. Unless someone comes back with a supremely badass and meant-to-be lore accurate name for Roth Rothryn, then I would say "it sounds funny" isn't enough reason to change it.
And if you're gonna have reduplication anywhere, it may as friggin well be in a place where it doesn't sound like shit. Roth Rothryn > Viv Vivec, Zana Zanaseraborini etc.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:20 am

@Hemi, Im aware of reduplication, alot of places in Australia are Aboriginal names, so it occurs a fair bit, although its usually partial reduplication.

@Cire, you do make a valid point about lore, but since when does something sounding funny or bad not count? half the places we've renamed have been for that reason. (The other half being lore)

Honestly I dont mind "Rothryn Region" but "Roth Rothryn Region" just seems like a bad mouthfull.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:40 am

Guys, this really is pointless. This discussion was over like 3 months ago.

The name is now Roth Roryn, if that appeases anyone. But if it doesn't, I think "tough", really. It's not a bad name. So it doesn't need to be 'de-defecated' (the clue's in the name).

Other people can disagree with me, but whatever.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:52 am

Roth Roryn huh? assuming that isnt a typo, thats fine with me. =]

I'll shut up now, sorry for raising a dead argument then.

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:35 am

There should be a region named Mon Mothma.

Anyhow, is there like an updated TR overview map with all the new names? Because I didn't even know where the frag Roth Roryn was in the first place.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:01 pm

cire992 wrote:There should be a region named Mon Mothma.

Anyhow, is there like an updated TR overview map with all the new names? Because I didn't even know where the frag Roth Roryn was in the first place.

Isn't that from Star Wars??

And no, there's no updated overview map that I know of. There's the old claim map and the accurate map, neither of which are very much up to date. Although if there is a new map banging around that I'm not aware of I'd love to get my hands on it.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:43 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:Wasn't it already decided that the region would keep the Roth Rothryn name? (the region surrounding and including it?)

The thread in question was not in this forum and the name proposed was Roth Roryn, no second th.

EDIT: BC has dealt with this I see, excellent as always.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:17 pm

Okay, it's that joyous time of year where we all get to sit around the camp fire and throw about names for villages and stuff again. This is in advance preparation for Map 3 NPCing. For the list of current settlements in Map 3, see [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?p=253832#253832]this thread[/url]. If you have a Detailing Claim and have a settlement (as in anything that would be marked on the world map) that is not listed in that thread, please post there.

A few villages are in actual need of names.

Firstly, there is "Small Village at (28,-31)". This is a tiny 2 shack set-up in what will become part of the expanded Lan Orethan (Emerald Forest) river valley. It is possible that this thing is so tiny that it doesn't even get it's own map marker, like the Nethre-Pulu egg mine on Map 1. In which case a name becomes largely unimportant. Alternatively, it could be increased in size, perhaps by robbing the unnecessary shacks off of Necrom?

Secondly, there is the "Nameless Fishing Village at (37,-24)". This is currently working under Nomadic's placeholder name of Seredis. I suggested the replacement of Ganelse (with an h after a vowel if needed).

Then (silly me) there is the slight issue of whether any existing names need tweaking. The only two names on that list I don't like are Merelag and Rouaf Duhr. Someone probably needs to make an executive decision about what (if anything) changes.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:13 pm

I could have sworn Rouaf Duhr was already renamed.
How can you not like the name Meralag?

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:19 pm

Bloodthirsty Crustacean wrote:Alternatively, it could be increased in size, perhaps by robbing the unnecessary shacks off of Necrom?

No, we're not moving shacks around.

Secondly, there is the "Nameless Fishing Village at (37,-24)". This is currently working under Nomadic's placeholder name of Seredis. I suggested the replacement of Ganelse (with an h after a vowel if needed).

Ganelse is a terrible name, worse than Seredis, which isn't that good to begin with.

Then (silly me) there is the slight issue of whether any existing names need tweaking. The only two names on that list I don't like are Merelag and Rouaf Duhr. Someone probably needs to make an executive decision about what (if anything) changes.

Rouaf Duhr was chosen as a random Dunmerization of Eagle Moor, because the actual translation of Eagle Moor was stupid. So make up a good name for it.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:59 pm

Roa Dyr

Monkey Man · Post by **Monkey Man** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:23 pm

What about Shla Oad for the port? The naming could even be a relation to Hla Oad
EDIT:I am bad with any origins of anything except for dwemer so dont have me name anything non-dwemer then i guess

Achulzleft would be a dwemer ruin name, at least it sounds damn well like it

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:00 am

Monkey Man wrote:What about Shla Oad for the port? The naming could even be a relation to Hla Oad

When I try pronouncing that I end up saying "Shload"

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:04 am

that would be his intent

We try to* make names in dunmeri, which that is not.

*try to here meaning always

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:23 am

Hemitheon wrote:How can you not like the name Meralag?

Meralag wouldn't be a problem. It's "mere lag" that I don't like. So yeah, if we do that tweak, then it's fine. (P.S. Don't tell me it's been Meralag all this time and I just haven't noticed?)

@ Hap: you wound me.

re: shack place, if we're not gonna expand it then it doesn't need a map marker. The shacks can just be named after the mine. So don't worry about naming that.

The only real name needed is for the Velothi fishing village then.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:30 pm

Bloodthirsty Crustacean wrote:It's "mere lag" that I don't like.

Is that how you've been saying it this whole time? Merelag and Meralag are pronounced the exact same way: Mehr (like "mom" in French)(ah/uh tomato tomato)lag

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:48 am

They sound the same? I though it sounded like this:

Mere = mee-ar (as in sounds like ear)
Mera = mer-ra (sound like Sera, as in Muthsera)

I guess Its mainly the pronuciation of the 'e'.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:50 pm

Just wondering. Is Bis'Andryon's name a joke? I propose the name be changed.

Bis = (Latin) twice
Andr = (Greek) man
-on = (Greek) place name

A fortress named "Place of the Twice a Man" or "Place where the men are twice as manly"

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:58 pm

I don't think that will have been intentional. (Frankly if that was a joke, I'd be inclined to keep it because it's actually funny unlike most other eggs)

Regardless, it's never been a favourite name of mine...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:37 am

no apostrophes

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:54 pm

I have an idea for Merelag: Merehlag.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:24 pm

Not a fan of that.

Just the unaltered original, Meralag (prior to all this Merelag silliness), suits it quite fine.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:29 pm

How bout something like Balasduhr or Nirhenduhr for Bisandryon?

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:35 pm

I do like Bisandryon, but I must say Balasduhr sounds really quite excellent too.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:47 pm

I think Bisandaryon sounds better than Bisandryon. Maybe even a hyphenated Bis-Andaryon? Although I think Merelag/Meralag sounds fine too.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:33 pm

Bisandaryon and Meralag get my thumbs up

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:39 pm

I'm happy with it.

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:50 pm

Is renaming still an issue?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:56 pm

Well, we still haven't renamed Reich Parkeep

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:05 pm

It's supposed to be what - Imperial?

EDIT: Well damn, I knew I saw this thread before:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=19996&start=160

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:09 pm

The town is redoran

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:27 pm

Julan-ruhn?

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:09 am

Jule wrote:Julan-ruhn?

That's a building block name, so no.

What kind of interesting stuff is there to be known about Reich Parkeep, apart from it being Redoran?

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am

IIRC the "Parkeeps" were built by the Nords in the First Empire. Doesn't mean a whole lot since that was a long time ago.

Reich Parkeep is probably your standard fare Redoran fortified settlement.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:43 pm

How about:

Rassur-paar
Paar-rysul
Rathranin
Paaranyn

Just some ideas; they probably aren't too good

Jule · Post by **Jule** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:36 am

Dun Iranyon

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Tue May 18, 2010 8:32 am

Based on [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=20818]this list[/url].

Let's take a look at some more stuff.

Akamora: It's currently a very transparent translation

Bosmoram: An old sore, but it's currently a very transparent translation of... Wood Wood.

Darnim Watch: Just cut the Watch.

Dondril: Good name in its own right, but we're having an awful lot of D's.

Dreynim: Good name in its own right, but we're having an awful lot of D's.

Building block names are not allowed. Anything else goes, as long as it sounds good. Most of the other map 3 names are a single word, so perhaps we could balance that a bit.

Suggestions:

Akamora: Ud Senim (named after the family who founded it)

Bosmora: Nith-Morhan (since this one is actually built by a forest I attempted to preserve a bit of the mora-root, though in what looks like an older form or one merged with another word)

Darnim Watch: Obvious

Dondril, Dreynim & Darnim: I think Dondril is the least Dunmeri sounding of these, which would make it the likeliest candidate for a small name change. I like that the other two both end in -nim; it gives a certain (non-building block) consistency. How about naming Dondril to whatever, say Gondis.