Gahhh! Not another console!

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:04 am

persoanly, i think that beth made the right choice releasing OB on the PS3

and i also think that the knights in the silly armor will be prety cool after [url=http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=572551]reading some posts by MK in the Lore forum.[/url]

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:08 am

so long as they don't release it as ANOTHER DLC mod i think we'll all be happy

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:09 am

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Knights Who Say "Nine".

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:24 am

i actualy would be happy with it as a DLC so i dont have to buy anything

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:34 am

and thats what torrent is for

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:44 am

*ahem* We don't tollerate that kinda talk. N especially should know better.

Apparently, it actually has lore. MK wrote it. I am looking forward to learning more.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:39 am

MK's statement sounds promising.

What bugs me is that now the PC market will be only 1/3rd of the ES community. Which means we'll be getting less attention, I've yet to see those modeling tools that we were promised. There's just no excuse for that whatsoever.

I saw a guy PS3 megagamer or some stupid shit like that asking if oblivion is runescape.

It also leaves TES in the hands of those who decide to buy games based on "ooohhh shiney! that looks sooooo cool" as opposed to actually having an idea of what they're buying.

It's stupid people like that who've built up the EA console regime by buying NFL, NBA and Madden rehashes every year. I swear, easiest millions ever made:
1.take sports game
2.update a few data files for traded players, rookies and retirees to be accurate.
3.recompile entire program
4.change packaging number to new year.
5.rake in dough from 12 year olds who bought the last 10 versions you did this with.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:02 am

Eraser wrote: What bugs me is that now the PC market will be only 1/3rd of the ES community. Which means we'll be getting less attention,

Because the "ES community" is getting so much attention.

It also leaves TES in the hands of those who decide to buy games based on "ooohhh shiney! that looks sooooo cool" as opposed to actually having an idea of what they're buying.

Which, of course, it has never been before, and all such players are playing with consoles, and all console players are such players.

Hint everyone: We've been going this direction since Bloodmoon. Am I seriously the only one who thought it made no sense for Solstheim to exist? Especially since it didn't before. People like Misters Peterson and Kirkbride left. People left like Mister Kuhlman are not making the decisions.

However, MK makes this sound like a turn-around. So stop whining about how consoles are ruining your life (they aren't) and start looking forward to a change in direction.

TheImperialDragon · Post by **TheImperialDragon** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:03 am

Well, I've never really been a fan of that sort of game, I'd rather be actually playing football in RL than in this little virtual world of a few MB's.

Anyway, maybe people from the PS3 crowd will be drawn to modding (like how I played XBox and got drawn into modding from that).

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:45 am

No not all console players, but a huge percentage. It's the nature of the market and the system to be like that. You can only cram so many controls onto a gamepad before the game is to hard to control to be playable, so they are no doubt far more simple. As for players, well a person more likely to seriously look into a game before buying it(ie beyond the cool factor) would more likely frequently use a computer, as well as be much older and more mature, and would be more apt to buying the PC version of a game.

almost nothing can be an absolute, but as far as probability goes(and what marketing departments target) it's pretty close.

Why else do such rehashes and "mass market" games sell?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:55 am

Darling, a huge percentage of the entire market, including the oh-so-holy PC crowd, is exactly how you describe the oh-so-worthless consolers. And I can't fathom your reasoning that "Console controllers can only have so many buttons, therefore those who play them must be unintelligent." What's more, complicated games != intelligent games and != good games.

My point is not that there aren't idiots out there, but that they're not centered on any platform.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:29 am

Sload wrote:Am I seriously the only one who thought it made no sense for Solstheim to exist? Especially since it didn't before.

Like the city of Vivane, or Caldera, or Molag Mar.

I don't care much about having to make sure every little island and city were already present in Arena. By that token, the game Redguard made no sense either. It introduced an island with a silly name (come on, Stross M'kay?), that never existed before, it introduced a lot of new stuff that didn't exist before either, such as the Sloads, and it wasn't even set in the chronological continuity of the series since it was at the dusk of the Second Era.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:57 am

You missed my point completely, of course. Do you think me so fool to say that I only believe in cities from Arena?

First of all, Solstheim was outa whack with the rest of Morrowind. Completely different culture, completely different environment, it just didn't fit. I think it was player gratification. They had good things (like multiple quest paths), but they had them because the players wanted them. Also why they had werewolves.

Tribunal extended Morrowind's story and involved the Nerevarine in even more depth. Bloodmoon was just.. random.

As to its lack of previous mention.. we're talking a huge island, where the EEC was actively involved, that had never been mentioned in Vvardenfell. It clearly wasn't planned to be there from the beginning of Morrowind, and since it's an expansion for Morrowind, that's what matters.

High Lord Xenor · Post by **High Lord Xenor** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:34 am

I'd love for Oblivion on the Wii, cuase i'm a Nintendo fan, and as well as getting it for my laptop, i may (if it sdoes come out for the wii) also get it for my wii(when i get it) so i can play no matter what console i'm on

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:46 am

meh, good things never last forever anyways

Bethesda changed, it was bound to happen at some point.

NEENJA · Post by **NEENJA** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:02 am

here are my viewpoints:

1) Let Bethesda do whatever the hell they want. It's their game, their universe.
2) Don't worry about gamers buying Oblivion because it's shiny. That's pretty much howe I found Morrowind.
3) This isn't a big deal. It won't ruin your life. Just don't worry about it.
4) Personally, me being a PSP-owner and all, I'm excited at being able to take ES on the road. And besides, this is really one of the first good RPGs on the PSP, so I'm all for it! (But will Oblivion on PSP be 2D or 3D? I'm assuming 3D.)

Those are my views. take 'em or leave 'em.

--the NEENJA

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:10 am

oh god i hope it's 2d. That would problly be pretty awesome actually

more so than badly done 3d anyway.

NEENJA · Post by **NEENJA** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:14 am

Yup. The PSP is capable of some decent looking 3D (I have Monster Hunter, it's pretty.)

However, if they really botched the 3D, then I agree, 2D would be better.

--the NEENJA

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:29 pm

3D's always been much better.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:21 pm

-Saddistic_Angel- wrote:3D's always been much better.

3d is a matter of graphics. And in my oppinion graphics are just an extra. There have been plenty of awesome games in 2D and plenty of terrible games in 3d.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:42 pm

In my personal opinion it is. It gives more depth to a game. You can't tell someone's facial expression properely if it's 2 dimensional.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:52 pm

Sload wrote:Neither of those games would fly with the ESRB. :\

Nothing flys with the increasingly conservative ESRB these days.

Of course I love the hypocrisy that we have have people gored in horrific ways (Soldier of Fortune, anyone?) and it's acceptable but as soon as some girl shows off her tits, its completely unacceptable.

-Saddistic_Angel- wrote:3D's always been much better.

Personally I prefer Daggerfall's 2d to Morrowind's 3D. The art looks much more polished. The 3D character models in Morrowind are the worst offenders, with arms that aren't even joined properly to the rest of the model.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:52 pm

Daggerfall was 3D.

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:56 pm

Sload wrote:Daggerfall was 3D.

With sprites.

[Edit: And I would hardly call Daggerfall's art polished (I have seen the screens). Though, there is a huge technology gap between the two.]

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:27 am

CleverClothe wrote:
Sload wrote:Daggerfall was 3D.
With sprites.

[Edit: And I would hardly call Daggerfall's art polished (I have seen the screens). Though, there is a huge technology gap between the two.]

The direct comparison was to the pixel art in the character inventory screen to the 3D representation of the character in Morrowind.

DF was more what a lot of gaming magazines lovinglhy (and not so lovingly) refer to as two-and-a-half-D - the hgame world is 3D, but not much else.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:31 am

but, for the time, this was revolutionary. so may games adopted this system of 2d on 3d after DF. even newer games such as diablo used this system. the charecter was comprised of 18 images which linked seamlessly... imposed at the right moment within an angled 3d world... i've forgotten the point i was trying to make now..

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:55 am

Actualy, Angelus. There was nothing really 3d about Diabalo. It was isomertric.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:13 pm

Unless he means the characters we 3D renders, which would be correct.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:27 pm

yup, i meant the 3d render's for charcters as Chahiero said. hence the 3d on 2d look.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:48 pm

It's not a farfetched comparison then, since NPCs and many if not all monsters in Daggerfall were done this way.

Diablo's world, however is not pure 3D as Daggerfall's was.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:47 am

I didn't like Diablo/2's graphics, too old for me.
I love the new games that are coming out. Really realistic and such.