Music?

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:32 am

oh i dunno, all metal 10-15 years ago was like that. It's a differant sort of metal nowerdays.. i might go as far as saying 'nu-metal'... but i still love Linkin Park

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:48 am

deadman, cali gari, kishidan, lots and lots of MUCC

of course you've never heard of them...

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:58 am

I'm of the opinion that all modern rock sucks.
Look at modern punk. You've got bands like AFI, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy. That's the popular punk, which is emo bullshit. Now some people will say that the good stuff is never on the radio, and that the best punk was always underground. Crap. In the late 70s, the radio waves were dominated by The Clash, Ramones, Misfits, and scores of other punk bands. The genre used to be about taking a stand, fighting against oppression, standing up for your rights, and not taking any crap. Now, it's about sleeve tattoos, black hair dye, mascara and eyeliner. Punk rock has turned into the new glam rock, and it makes me sick. Same thing with metal. I can't possibly have respect for any band where the members spend as much time in front of their mirrors as they do actually practicing.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:34 pm

I regard MCR as a good band. Although Fall-Out Boy suck.
I never really liked all the older stuff. But eh.
Modern music sucks, Australia has a lot of Bogan rock as well.

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:31 pm

Dexter wrote:I'm of the opinion that all modern rock sucks.
Look at modern punk. You've got bands like AFI, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy. That's the popular punk, which is emo bullshit. Now some people will say that the good stuff is never on the radio, and that the best punk was always underground. Crap. In the late 70s, the radio waves were dominated by The Clash, Ramones, Misfits, and scores of other punk bands. The genre used to be about taking a stand, fighting against oppression, standing up for your rights, and not taking any crap. Now, it's about sleeve tattoos, black hair dye, mascara and eyeliner. Punk rock has turned into the new glam rock, and it makes me sick. Same thing with metal. I can't possibly have respect for any band where the members spend as much time in front of their mirrors as they do actually practicing.

You?
A Misfits fan?
I would never have guessed.....

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:54 pm

Kevin Seconds and the 7 Seconds. Whats his name... Duane Peters I think, he has a band called US Bombs that's pretty good. If there still around anymore that is.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:31 pm

man, i haven't hear of the US Bombs for years....

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:46 pm

Dexter wrote:I'm of the opinion that all modern rock sucks.
Look at modern punk. You've got bands like AFI, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy. That's the popular punk, which is emo bullshit. Now some people will say that the good stuff is never on the radio, and that the best punk was always underground. Crap. In the late 70s, the radio waves were dominated by The Clash, Ramones, Misfits, and scores of other punk bands. The genre used to be about taking a stand, fighting against oppression, standing up for your rights, and not taking any crap. Now, it's about sleeve tattoos, black hair dye, mascara and eyeliner. Punk rock has turned into the new glam rock, and it makes me sick. Same thing with metal. I can't possibly have respect for any band where the members spend as much time in front of their mirrors as they do actually practicing.

AFI isn't that bad, but I don't pretend that they're punk.

As to metal, try Nightwish, Blind Guardian, or Iced Earth, and come back when you have

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:50 pm

Dexter wrote:I'm of the opinion that all modern rock sucks.
Look at modern punk. You've got bands like AFI, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy. That's the popular punk, which is emo bullshit. Now some people will say that the good stuff is never on the radio, and that the best punk was always underground. Crap. In the late 70s, the radio waves were dominated by The Clash, Ramones, Misfits, and scores of other punk bands. The genre used to be about taking a stand, fighting against oppression, standing up for your rights, and not taking any crap. Now, it's about sleeve tattoos, black hair dye, mascara and eyeliner. Punk rock has turned into the new glam rock, and it makes me sick. Same thing with metal. I can't possibly have respect for any band where the members spend as much time in front of their mirrors as they do actually practicing.

I agree, tehre is onyla few bands now that can be classed as proper rock now.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:53 pm

Chahiero wrote:AFI isn't that bad, but I don't pretend that they're punk.

As to metal, try Nightwish, Blind Guardian, or Iced Earth, and come back when you have

Heard their stuff. Hate it.
And let's face it, the lead singer of AFI is a drag queen who sounds like a 12 year old.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:18 pm

Dexter wrote:
Chahiero wrote:AFI isn't that bad, but I don't pretend that they're punk.

As to metal, try Nightwish, Blind Guardian, or Iced Earth, and come back when you have
Heard their stuff. Hate it.
And let's face it, the lead singer of AFI is a drag queen who sounds like a 12 year old.

If you went back to the 80's, just about any band was lead by a drag queen who sounded like a 12 year old

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:28 pm

Glam rock, yes. But that wasn't all the music in the 80s. That's what I'm saying, modern rock is turning into one big mess of glam rock. Now, if you look at the bands I listed, you won't find one that was led by a drag queen. The closest that you would come is the Misfits, because Jerry Only (who has turned into a complete tool in recent years, by the way) would occasionally put black makeup on under his eyes. But nobody is going to sit here and tell me that Danzig sounds like a 12 year old, or that he is "glam" in any form.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:30 pm

Different strokes are for different folks, really. I find it juvienille to argue about what is and isn't part of a genre.

Dani of Cradle of Filth replied when asked if he would considered his music "black metal":

2. Would you still consider yourselves a black metal band?
Yes and no. Doesn't really help does it?
Yes in context of retaining the same fire inside as when the band first formed and in pertaining to the atmospherics of the music, no in relation to the narrow-mindedness of the current scene. I mean it used to be much more diverse back in the glory days of Cacophonous, Osmose and Deathlike Silence, what with bands as far-flung as Necromantia (no guitars, just bass), Equimanthorn and Neptune Towers (wierd ambience) right through to Impaled Nazarene (who were kinda punk influenced originally) and Immortal. Now the scene feels a lot like a prison with everyone still trying to retain their purity despite the scene having broken down aeons ago.
We'd rather be known as solely "Cradle Of Filth' i think, rather than be hampered by stupid genre barriers used by 'scenesters' to hem bands in to their own projected ideals.

I agree with him. Definitions of genres are pretty subjective and arbitrary.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:11 am

I was hardly debating what is and is not part of whatever genre. That's cool and all that Dani Filth can give an ambiguously verbose retort to the genre question, but it doesn't make his music any better. And yes, people like what they like, but it always irks me that the people that talk shit about pop music all sounding the same and being talentless sludge, when the vast majority of what they listen to is also variety-lacking sludge, just of a different sound.

NEENJA · Post by **NEENJA** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:52 am

I'm of the opinion that all modern rock sucks.

Which is why I like classic rock.
(Led Zeppelin, Boston, The Doors, The Eagles, and any other good band.)

--the NEENJA

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:01 am

I read that on the site.
I loooove Cradle

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Glam Rock is pretty pathetic if you look at it now. Most of it anyway xD.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:31 am

lol, i dunno why. but i just can't bring myself to listen to cradle anymore... makes my ears bleed to much. i'll settle for Spinshank or Soil nowerdays.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:58 am

Although I appreciate all genres of music, my heart belongs to Gothic (Not Goth), Techno, Hard Rock, and above all... METAL!!!!!!!!!!

Favorite Bands:
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Anthrax
Opeth
Mega Death
Ramstein
Demons and Wizards
Blind Guardian
Iced Earth
Nightwish

Apart from that, I'm also a fan of Celtic, Orchestra, Opera, Arabic Music, and Gregorian Chant.

Chahiero · Post by **Chahiero** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:10 pm

Nightwish ftw. Glad to see another fan on here

Demons & Wizards is also good, as is Blind Guardian.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:48 am

Ohhhhhh, yay for Opeth!
Satyricon has me fascinated right now as well

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El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:42 pm

I listened to a "Best Of" album of Misfits and found it...boring. If The Clash is anything like that, then today's punk rock can die for all I care. However, I have to agree with every single thing Dexter said about Glam music, it's all about posers and wannabe kids. Especially these little slutties who scream their lungs out, "singing" the lamest of songs. But let's face the obvious: if it wasn't for them, how would we be able to tell quality from crap?

Following the flow of this thread, here's a list of a few of my favorite artists in a random order:

Nightwish
Tristania
Sirenia
Theatre of Tragedy
Opeth
Lacuna Coil
Dark Sanctuary
69 Eyes
Apocalyptica
In Flames
Anathema

Some of them do have that "poser" thingie, but their work alone is enough for me to put it aside. After all, the essence is found in music itself, not in the lifestyle.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:16 am

The Clash is an entirely different band than the Misfits, and besides that, they broke up 23 years ago, so they can hardly be described as "today's punk".
On the subject of the Greatest Band in the History of the Universe, I recently bought an autographed picture of the band from a friend in Scotland.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:50 am

Having autographed things from bands you really like is always exciting

. Like my bombers guersey, but that's football.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:42 pm

I also found some icelandic band..

Sigur Ros... they ahve this really good piece of music which is in the adverts for a program caled Planet Earth here in Britain.

EdAptra · Post by **EdAptra** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:33 pm

im gonna be different and say Rock n Roll! Elvis, Bill Haley, that lot

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:12 am

xD Different. Right.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:08 am

From Jazz to Death Metal, everything's a branch of the same tree - classic music. If anyone wants to go for something different, say Rap, Ambient, Oriental etc.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:11 pm

Generally (as anyone who has ever seen my myspace page will know) I'm a death/black metal fan. It's easy to write death metal as being a domain of talentless posers, but there's a lot of good technical death metal bands, like The Black Dahlia Murder, who don't get the credit they deserve for writing strong technical songs in a genre which limits how creative you can be. If anyone disagrees, read the lyrics for Funeral Thirst and then have a listen. There's some shit-hot drumming and guitaring in that song.

But then I also like my progressive rock, everything from Pink Floyd to Coheed & Cambria (another band who too often get written off, and the next person who labels them emo in my person will be bludgeoned to death with a set of pc speakers).

I must agree with Dexter about the decline of punk rock (though i find it difficult to imagine Misfits as being true hardcore grass-roots punk, they concentrate too much on their image for me too that), the closest you can get to grass-roots punk these days is through hardcore (note: hardcore, not metalcore), but the vast majority of straight-edge hardcore bands offend my smoking and drinking sensibilities.

/rantover

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:57 pm

The post-Danzig Misfits were huge into their image, and yes, Danzig as a solo act is huge into his image. The original circa-1977 Misfits put some effort into their image, but no more than the Sex Pistols or Ramones.
And inresponse to Scum, I'll raise my hand for rap. How can you not love the Wu-Tang Clan?

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:23 am

Indeed. Wu-Tang and Bubba Sparxxx rule.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Scum, technically most modern popular music, from Rap to Death Metal, originates not from Classical Music but from early Black Slaves Worksongs, they were most definitely the origin for Jazz and Blues, Blues led to Rock Music, Rock n' Roll, Pop, and even Modern Metal has it's roots in Blues.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:15 pm

Regarding Jazz, it's not something I read somewhere, so it's no official statement that it's similar to classic, rather something I was led to believe after listening to some songs. Even if I'm wrong though, the basic structure of rock and metal is quite similar to that of classic, which is commonly admitted (as far as I know). Then again, I could be totally wrong.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46 pm

Almost any Popular art form does use classical Chords and Form, in a simplified manner. Jazz has a little bassis in Classical, but it is not by any means more simple than classical- it has it's own vocabulary of chords and forms.

But Graff is right that most popular styles stem from the mixture of african music with western. Basicaly most all of them come from Jazz, Ragtime, Gospel, Blues, and so on.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:22 pm

I hate rap. It's boring, unimaginative, and doesn't even use real instruments for their background music. All it basically is, is 'niggas in da hood yo pop a cap in yo white ass bitch' with some vague mention of clubs and ho's.
With Death/Black metal, while they may be shrieking their fucking heads off, good on them for doing it xD.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:35 pm

Rap has indeed become all about ho's, cash and Da Big Life, but that's just not rap. All of the ***holes who "sing" that garbage (i.e. xx cent) are only worth for being thrown over a cliff. On the other hand, you have bands like The Roots, who make music and mean it. These guys do justify the existence of rap, and I'm more than glad to see them conquer the charts. So, don't blame a music genre because of some shitty examples. Every genre has some worthy representatives.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:45 pm

i agree with Scumbago on this one. however, if anyone has heard of n artist called Plan B then his style is a blend of rap mixed over acoustic guitar with meaningful lyrics about his life growing up.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:27 am

Eh. I just don't like rap. I've always loved anything with depth, such as Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Opetttth

, Children of Bodom and Satyricon. They tend to have a lot of melodic peices backing their songs up.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:37 am

Most of the bands you listed are Black Metal, fyi.

-Saddistic_Angel- · Post by **-Saddistic_Angel-** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:41 am

Satyricon and Dimmu are, yes.
Cradle of Filth, according to Dani are 'Cradle of Filth, and would like to stay that way.' Opeth are a mix, and Children of Bodom are more thrash metal.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:58 am

Cradle of Filth are just trying to avoid being pidgeon-holed, they are for the most part Black Metal, I'd agree with you about Opeth being halfway, but the song structures they use suggest Technical Death Metal, Children of Bodom are a band I've always considered closer to Black Metal.

In fact, I just realised I misread your original post listing these bands, thought you said "anything death" rather than "anything with depth". Ooops.