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pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:16 pm

What is northmarker and wetex shade?

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:31 pm

The northmarker is a static found in the static list. It determines the direction the mini map is pointing. Make sure it's pointing north just as the interior aaaa would compared to the placement of the house in the exterior world.

Vertex shading is just as I described it in my last post

Edit colors in the Landscape tool. It makes the statics blend into its surroundings.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Wed May 07, 2008 3:01 pm

New file with:
fixed vertex shade
added northmarker; pointing north
fixed all floatings
new, different books
fixed texture glitch(probably)

sheep is NOT a NPC, wandering not fixed but I think that
sheep's alright.

CLEAN

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:45 pm

Alot better! I'm busy studying at the moment, but I gave it a brief look in the CS. I notice you copied the lightning values from the Aleswell Inn. That is ok, but according to the information within the .esp you have "edited" the Aleswell Inn interior, since the CS is very vulnerable for those things. And the vertex shading was good, a little much on one side but as you can see the house fits into the surroundings much more now!

The northmarker was pointing NW in your interior

Rotate it 1/8 clockwise and it should fit the exterior (tip: click the exterior house, press t, and see your house from top. Then go to the interior and rotate the northmarker so that it would face north if placed outside...

I am not a reviewer, one of them will come along if you give it a few hours...

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Wed May 07, 2008 4:54 pm

Why is file so dramatically larger if it is just some "pathetic" fixes nothing more?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed May 07, 2008 5:11 pm

I don't know why you said "pathetic," but the increased filesize is likely due to your plugin not being clean. The TES4 Plugin utility will allow you to clean your plugin of all unnecessary changes. I recommend you DL and use it as dirty files are bad.

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:42 pm

The reason your .esp is so big is that you have accidentally edited alot of stuff that makes your plugin "dirty". No reviewer will review an .esp that is known to be dirty, since that automatically fails review so to say...

I find the TES4 Plugin Utility difficult to use, so just use the CS cleaner.

1: Open the CS

2: Go to File -> Data

3: Choose Oblivion.esm and your file TRfarmhouse3.5.esp

4: While TRfarmhouse3.5.esp is marked, click Details.

5: Another window pops up. Press "Type" twice to sort the categories.

6: NOW YOU NEED TO KNOW WHICH CELLS YOU EDITED ON PURPOSE! You don't want the CS to erase your modding (just take a backup copy of your .esp in case you screw up)

7: Click and press delete (new window pops up) every cell you want to erase from your .esp
(example: Ondo, AbandonedMine, AleswellInn etc) Don't erase your interior aaaa plus the exterior cells you've edited.

8: After removing every unwanted record/editation, press close.

9: Then press OK to load your cleaned .esp

10: Save and upload for review!

Nobody said this was going to be easy the first time. After a while cleaning an .esp becomes really simple.

N

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Thu May 08, 2008 4:10 pm

It's clean now!
9.32 KB

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:07 pm

Review this for pespes. It's entirely his work...

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:43 pm

Creating NPC's?
I can do that as well.
(Oblivion only)

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:05 pm

Heres my review.

-Clothes on cupboard are bleeding into it.
-The cupboard on the right is floating slightly, press F more than once when dealing with furniture.
-The shovel and hoe on the ground are bleeding, the hoe more so than the shovel.
-Books on window sill are bleeding into it.
-Sack is bleeding into cupboard a bit. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-36-1.jpg]Pic[/url]
-Pile of yarn beside the sheep is both floating and bleeding into each other and the floor, it's difficult to create such things well as it's almost impossible to arrange them perfectly, I suggest you stay away from stuff like this. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-40-2.jpg]Pic[/url]
-Bowl on fireplace mantle is bleeding because of uneven surface.
-Book on barrel is floating(very slightly, still move it) and bleeding. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-47-0.jpg]Pic[/url]
-All potatoes are floating on the ground.
-Broom is bleeding into the wall.
-The yarn (both of them) and sack of seeds on the shelf are bleeding into it, careful with the F button on shelves.
-Sacks beside barrel are floating. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-51-3.jpg]Pic[/url]
-On that barrel in the previous picture is a small sack, it is floating.
-Your pathgrids are floating all over the place. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-57-1.jpg]This one[/url] is bleeding into the barrel and floating. [url=http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1022-58-4.jpg]Here[/url] there are two floating pathgrids, and the far end of that room has none, it's your choice where to put them but I'm just saying.
-There is also a floating pathgrid on the silhoutte of the bed, it's unconnected and there is one directly underneath it.
-Some pathgrids are not connected even though they are right beside each other.
-Random coin outside of house: http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/FLESH_01/Review/TESConstructionSet2008-05-1023-06-4.jpg

Some general issues:
-Why is there an oar on the ground? The shovel and hoe shouldn't really be there either, least of all, all three beside each other.
-This is a very bad mesh done by Bethesda. There are numerous places where thing faces are missing, or going through something else. I'd suggest using a different interior.

Fix these issues. Also, after a certain amount of reviews on the same .esp it is recommended that you start a new one.

-Flesh

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sun May 11, 2008 10:58 am

How do I create pathgirds for multipe NPC's?

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:23 am

Just the one is needed

But it still needs to be fixed.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:28 am

No I am making new interior with more NPC's.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Sun May 11, 2008 11:36 am

You still need just one pathgrid.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:18 pm

[url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/?p=modding_data/tutorials&section=202276]Pathgridding tutorial.[/url]

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:20 pm

It's legion fort;
It has 9 soldiers: 1 captain
1 first in command
2 veteran
5 normal guards

first in command has broken nose!

Also dog owned by captain.

I'ts something like fort brena.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat May 17, 2008 10:56 am

Hey! Nearly a week passed!

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Sat May 17, 2008 11:26 am

Remember that bumping your thread won't help. I'll have a look at it when I return home later this weekend.

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Interior

1: Crates. Have a look at the top of those. The edges are slightly elevated compared to the rest of the surface. If you place one crate on top of the other, make sure it's within the elevated edges of the lower one.

2: Pathgrids. You could have more of those.

3: No northmarker

4: The stone wall inside the door arch looks bad, try using something else covering it up, or add an extra room, including an addition in the exterior cell as well.

Exterior

1: You should really try to find something to place the door in, sticking it onto the wall just doesn't look right.

2: The ground texture outside the tower should look as if there was anyone actually stepping outside now and then. A dirt texture would work out good.

3: The cell due east of yours has some strange ground texture issues in the upper left corner.

Else, you have not cleaned it, it has some references in the Abandonedmine this time as well...

Good luck!

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat May 17, 2008 9:39 pm

Nemon wrote:
3: The cell due east of yours has some strange ground texture issues in the upper left corner.
---------------------------------------------------------
That is not my fault beacouse that
glitch was there before.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Sun May 18, 2008 3:16 am

Fix it anyways.

Nemon's review was quite lenient on the exterior, which is what I'll comment on since I'm an exterior guy.

You plopped an anvil tower down and that's about it. Now Anvil architecture next to Skingrad, in my opinion, clashes, but thats beside the point here. As far as your exterior goes, you've done nothing to make it look pleasing with the area around it. No path leading to the door. As Nemon said, the door is just stuck in the tower, no door frame, that needs to change too. There's very little evidence that you tried to make the tower look like it actually belongs there. For all intents and purposes it seriously looks like that tower just dropped out of the sky. Make it look realistic. Think of what kind of things would be around in real life. Things that make it really come alive.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sun May 18, 2008 10:51 am

Exterior-much much better
Interior-some fixes
Architecture-it remains in Anvil architecture; I don't think
that that is wrong.

File is cleaned.

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Sun May 18, 2008 12:45 pm

Interior: I can see through the cracks in the barred doorway.

And there's a floater outside the interior, "CDoor02"

Exterior: I'd like to see more clutter ouside. Having a cluttered area attracts the player to the door to your interior.

- Crates
- Barrels
- Stones
- Flora
- Bushes

Look just north of your tower, there's a bunch of rocks and flora. What I do is duplicate a bunch of stuff, then move it where I want it and then rearrange stuff, rotate, resize and makes sure it looks unique.

And the doorframe you've used is ok enough I guess, but the active door is behind the fake door, so you can't really get inside...

You're progressing!

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sun May 18, 2008 1:44 pm

All is fixed; more flora and clutter around tower.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:12 am

Sorry for the long wait pes. But here's a review for you.

Interior:
It's fine. Some things bleed a little too much into the ground (some food on the table, some chairs). But this is no huge problem, or even any since it's almost unnoticeable unless you check it in the CS.
You have some errors on load up to do with your NPC's and their AI packages (worship is one that comes to mind) so check that out.
Assign ownership to the chests you have.
Wow that's a lot of guards. I guess it could explain why they keep coming when I kill them

And a note on your pathgrids. The way you have them now, all those chairs and beds cannot be used by the NPC's because none of the PGs touch the silhouettes.

Exterior:
Pretty good job on this, it's detailed, and it fits into the surroundings. One thing though, you used great forest rocks around the tower, when the rocks in the region are West Wield. And the Septim statue, imo I don't think it would be able to stand on the rock like that (plus it's the wrong type of rock) and why not use a Skingrad specific statue instead?

Overall this is good work and you've improved much

EDIT: Oh and great improvisation with those stables.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:15 pm

What are AI packages?
What must I do to give them(AIpackages) to NPC's?

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:41 pm

When you create a New NPC there is a window that opens up, in it you can select the NPC's attributes and give him/her clothes. There are two buttons to the bottom left side of this window. Dialogue and AI, click on AI and it allows you to add AI packages (either pre-created or ones that you make) to your NPC. Now I thought you had added some AI packages to the NPC which was causing the errors, if you have not then you must have fiddled with something that you weren't supposed to edit and your .esp is not clean.

NPCs are not necessary for being promoted for interiors though

Post by **Gnomey** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:44 pm

FLESH wrote:NPCs are not necessary for being promoted for interiors though

I wouldn't be so sure. In Oblivion Interiors and NPCs are made in one fell sweep. (And so, for that matter, are exteriors and NPCs. At least in the case of Rihad).

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:15 pm

Changed rocks

Changed pathgirds

Not added AI packages

Improved ownership status

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:16 pm

Gnomey wrote:
FLESH wrote:NPCs are not necessary for being promoted for interiors though
I wouldn't be so sure. In Oblivion Interiors and NPCs are made in one fell sweep. (And so, for that matter, are exteriors and NPCs. At least in the case of Rihad).

NPCs still aren't required to be promoted for interior making. And I haven't seen any claims requiring the modder to make an NPC to go along with it.

I had a look at the file, and it seems fine to me. I'll get one of the admins in here.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat May 31, 2008 5:13 am

What now?
Must I just wait?
Or must I do something?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sat May 31, 2008 5:33 am

NPCs are required for OB interiors, but the AI is not. (so basically don't make them ugly or uber)

I loaded your plugin and got an error message regarding a skingrad worship package. don't know what this means.
Top Floor:
beds all bleed slightly
same with chests
cabinet too
the chandelier isn't centered perfectly
wtf cloth? Thats one hell of a napkin. Replace or make it less silly.
Everyone has chain armor when they should have steel with guard helmets

Lower Floor:
ABC has the wrong helmet, shield, etc. Also he needs a door on his room
Portrait looks out of place
abcde and abcdef also have the wrong helmets.
upper class beds don't fit in a guard tower IMO, or at the very least not here.
The door... what the fuck? oh wait, thats a blocked door... make it look better or just make it work on the exterior.
Put someone near that ruby (or ensure that your AI has someone there at all times... better yet just remove it)

This was kind of a rushed review, also I didn't check the AI. Anyway, please fix these things.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat May 31, 2008 6:34 am

Fixed armour

Another door linking to exterior

Two lower quarters separated with door

Removed cloth and ruby

Fixed bed, chest, cabinet bleedings

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:01 pm

1: I find it very odd to have two different doors leading into the same exterior, and the second exit looks just plain wrong with rocks underneath it. Why not create a whole new cell that the door can lead to? A storage room of sorts? Why have more than one entrance to that fort anyway? By making a new room you can prove that you succeed having the exteriors fit your interiors, and it's up to you to find the static to make the fort seem believable both outside and inside.

2: Inkwell, but no quill. It's not directly wrong but still lacking.

3: Downstairs, your pathgrid could use more connections between them. As of now, watching NPCs move would seem very static and robotic.

4: You have nothing on the walls besides to anvil castle lights, which give off way too much light in my opinion. How about adding some tapestries or paintings?

5: Add more stuff:
- Rugs
- Broom
- Baskets
- Various small items
- knives and spoons on the table, goblets and cups
- drinks

Basically, double your effort and give us an example of progress! I'd rather see you add too much clutter in an interior this small than having this little...

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:45 am

Storage? How, any ideas whatTF add as another interior nearby??

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:12 pm

-improved pathgirds

-added MUCH more stuff

-walls are decorated well

-quill added

-sorry but no changes have ben made for the
another exit, I had no idea what to add;
still my showcase is for interiors and not exteriors

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:49 pm

I told you to add another door to the exterior because I didn't think of adding another tower or something else beyond that door, and because your old door looked horribly out of place.

If you were asking for suggestions then I would say a small bit of wall then a smaller tower.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:17 pm

Sorry in Leyaviin is similiar tower with TWO doors leading outside, I will fix howewer the aproach to that second door.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:09 am

so....almost a week passed I am bumping it.
Lady Nerevar said that files must be bumped if they are not reviewed for a week.