Monkey's Showcase

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:04 pm

You know what cookie cutting is, right? There were objects with ownership set to NPC's in the vanilla game, indicating that objects had been copied from Bethesda interiors.

We frown on that kind of thing, all work has to be the modder's own.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:39 pm

Yeah i understand what that is, but the thing is i only copy from other interiors to get a start of a tileset and then choose what bits i want and add other bits, its easy than choosing each individual item from the model library

And bareing in mind, this mod is not finnished

EDIT: What does vanilla mean? I keep hearing that word

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:56 pm

Vanilla means it's from Morrowind, Tribunal, or Bloodmoon. Feel free to look at other interiors for inspiration, but all work must be your own. Cookie cutting stuff from other people's work breeds unoriginality, so we're very strict on it. You'll get to learn the exact names of all the important pieces soon enough, anyway.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:59 pm

Fine, then. I shall create a new island just for the sake of being promoted. Does it need to be any amount of cells? Or any particular amount of interiors?

EDIT: Say for example 4 exterior cells and a few interiors?

Cos ive started workin on something that has 4 exteriors, and will have 7 interiors. Telvanni building again cos i like the looks of them

Would this be ok?

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:54 pm

4 exteriors is fine, But just do 1 interior.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:05 pm

Okey dokey cheers thank you

EDIT: Just curious, is it worth me making a whole new exterior seeing as iv already made one or not?

I mean, would you take into consideration what iv already made?

EDIT: What im really asking is, will my previous exterior be suffice for a promotion?

cire?

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:43 am

I dunno how large any of your exterior showcases are, but you will need more than 4 cells to be promoted; exterior claims are usually much larger than 4 cells. Try 6-12 cells.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:18 am

I thought 4 cells were ok, but the minimum. IIRC Kiteflyer was promoted with 4 cells.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:22 pm

Well my underworld plugin that ive been working on has more than 4 if that helps?

All of the interior cells in that plugin, I worked on, with some copy and pasting but its all moved around, deleted replaces and stuff that i made up, the only reason i copied and pasted was to get the basic set of objects for that kind of interior

Faalen · Post by **Faalen** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:53 pm

Monkey wrote:the only reason i copied and pasted was to get the basic set of objects for that kind of interior

You write that as if you think that makes it okay to plagiarize. Copy and paste is never acceptable in any capacity whatsoever. I also think you're completely missing what everyone in this thread is telling you. Make ONE (1) interior from scratch (as in start a new file with nothing in it and make an original, non-plagiarizing interior in it) if you want to be promoted for interiors. Make a small to medium sized island from scratch if you want to be promoted for exteriors. Do not post anything you've made in the past because by your own admission all of it contains inadmissible copied content.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:10 pm

Like I said, I didn't plagiarize anything, just copied from various interior cells to get a basic idea of what sort of objects to use. And the mod inst finished anyway

Anyway, that's by the by, I am working on a showcase at the minute, will be uploading it when its done

EDIT: Just curious, does my interior have to be of any particular size or anything?

And would be OK to do two interiors? Cos the interior iv done is at the top of a telvanni tower, was thinking of designing the interior of the tower too or should I not worry about it?

Faalen · Post by **Faalen** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:37 am

I'm sorry, but I can't let this one go.

Monkey wrote:I didn't plagiarize anything, just copied from various interior cells

That's what plagiarism is. That sentence is like if I said, "I didn't eat any pizza; I just ingested a couple of slices."

(I'm aware that the word "plagiarism" technically only refers to written words, but the concept applies equally to modding.)

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:54 am

blackbird wrote:I thought 4 cells were ok, but the minimum. IIRC Kiteflyer was promoted with 4 cells.

I'd like to move away from such small amounts of cells, for the reasons in my above post.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:17 am

OK, see ive done 10 exteriors, 2 interiors, 2 interiors cos i just made a tower to be able to get to the main interior at the top.

The tower interior has no objects other than the walls and shafts.

I really hope you like it, really wanna be promoted

EDIT: Please review my showcase

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:25 pm

By the way, im more interested in doing exteriors, so if the interior isn't up to scratch would i be able to be promoted for exteriors?

Sorry for the double post, im just very eager

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:58 pm

I'm gonna let someone else handle the exteriors, though I personally think that the islands you made are all too small for a showcase.

As for the interior:
It uses the de_p furniture set, so the surfaces aren't smooth. Most of the items you've placed on the various tables and bookshelves need to be rotated so that they rest naturally and don't float or bleed.
There is also a de_r chest on the top floor, you'll need to replace that with a de_p version.
Other than that it looks fine.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:04 pm

Too big, too small, i dunno

Ok then, so im gonna work on a redoran settlement on about 10 exterior cells and 1 complete interior, just to show i can do more than just telvanni buildings

I will make a large landmass too, to show a large variety of objects

Would this be ok?

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:25 pm

Umm, okay, I don't see why you would want to restart again but don't let me stop you...

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:23 pm

Just fancy doing something different, shouldn't take me long anyway

And to be honest, gettin tired or AC stuff

cire992 · Post by **cire992** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:30 pm

Or you could just make the fixes like a normal modder so I don't have to keep reviewing stuff.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:31 pm

OK OK OK... ill finish off the one iv made then

EDIT: OK, done all the fixes in the interior and added a few more objects

Crated larger landmass and two more exterior cells so its not 4x3 cells

Will finish of vertex shading and upload it tomorrow night

Thanks for reviewing it and being patient with me (I think

), its been years since I modded morrowind

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:01 am

Hey all, sorry about the delay, im sure your all eager to see what ive been doing... or not

Well here we are, ive sorted out the interior, added a few details and extra statics, and rotated as many of the awkwardly placed objects as i can see are out of place

And i think ive pretty much finnished off all the 12 exterior cells, vertex shading n' all

I hope you like it

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:01 am

Sorry about double post, my internet went a tad dodgy...

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:24 am

Considering this is labelled as a manor, I don't understand why you use de_p furniture. The average proletarian who uses de_p would not have the prowess to grow their own Telvanni tower. De_r would have been much more suitable here.

-The manor interior looks a lot more like a bar than a manor.

-The tower is practically empty. Don't include stuff in your showcase if you don't want to be judged on it, this should be self-evident

-Lots of items haven't been rotated to account for the de_p furn. Some have, what you have attempted is quite good. You need to aim for consistency in this regard.

-Your candles have a tendency to bleed into the table they're on

-Several furn_de_rope_04 you used to suspend lanterns bleed through the ceiling into the floor above.

Also, I'm not a promoted exterior modder yet, but your exterior cells are quite repetitive in their texturing. You should try and vary things a little more, man! Use textures and vertex shading to highlight the shoreline, or something. Your undersea parts could probably do with more plants, kollops and lights, too.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:38 am

Cheers for the review.

The only reason its named as a manor is because the model is called ex_t_manor_02, no reason other than that. And it is supposed to be a bar.

I think I mentioned previously that the tower was only made to get up to the "bar", I realised shortly after making it that it wasn't needed as you review using the editor

And i did think that there may have been a few odd items that still needed rotating, ill get those fixed up, as well as any bleeding statics that you mentioned.

And thinking about it, I couldn't agree more about poor people growing a telvanni tower, ill get that shizz fixed up

Also other than the repetitive texturing are the exteriors OK? I mean the statics.

And finally, ill try and add more statics to the undersea areas

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:26 am

Updated, decided to make the manor into an actual manor, instead of a stupid bar. I think everything is from the same theme, not sure about the plates though, might still add some more objects

Textured and vertex shaded the exterior, quite pleased with the exterior if i do say so myself, learnt not to be so neat with the vertex shading, helps make stuff look more generic

EDIT: Any good?

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:51 pm

Hey, im not trying to nag atall, but it's been nearly 3 days

And just curious, but is there anyway to delete posts?

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:25 am

Hey all, just thought id mention that its been almost a week now.

Monkey · Post by **Monkey** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:35 am

BUMP?

It's been a week now, could someone be so kinds as to review my showcase?

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:55 am

Don't be so impatient, if it hasn't been reviewed in a week, feel free to bump, but don't post 4 frigging times.

There is style mixing in this interior. Com_r table and chair is not allowed if everything else is de_r. This alone is enough to fail the review. Fix that, and I'll give it another look.