WSG#9 [A][F] Thriving City-State of Rihad.

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In regards to the harbor bit, I think it's notable that on the map Chougand is in VERY close proximity to Rihad. Could it not be that Chougand acts as the port/harbor for Rihad? This is not entirely uncommon, I cite the Hanseatic city of Bremen with it's port of Bremerhaven as my backing for this; Bremen, farther inland, relied on it's coastal satellite for much of it's port capacity.

It could be that for one reason or another Rihad itself doesn’t have a port directly integrated, instead using this satellite port.

My two cents, anyway.

...and I just realized my response is directed at a conversation 3 pages ago. I'll leave it up, however, because it's still pertinent to the debate, I think.
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I´ve changed my layout for Rihad. After the discussions last week I wanted to see how the City would look if it had a more planned development. I´m not sure I like it better now though. What say ye?

[url=http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rihad028fx.jpg][img]http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7539/rihad028fx.th.jpg[/img][/url]

I also Included an Idea for a lighthouse. I´m going to post some closeups in the wsg10 thread.
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i like the old one. this one seems kinda small....
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Well done. :) I'd have to agree that it seems small for large city-state like Rihad, but this is a very thoughtful design. I also think that we may be very suprised at the small scale of Oblivion cities. In this concept the main transportation around Rihad itself is by canal, and the fact that half the city, including the palace itself is built on the river, suggests a more tactical control of the waterways, which lead into the interior.

Additionally, the fact that there are inner-walls dividing the various districts may make it easier to design on Oblivion, because it will allow us build across multiple interior cells.

Over all a good design, though I would be in favour of making more room for residential housing, including a slum area.
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Hayden wrote:It could be that for one reason or another Rihad itself doesn’t have a port directly integrated, instead using this satellite port.
Seeing as Rihad is much larger and is connected to both a river leading inland and the sea, it would make more sense if Rihad was the port city. The excess amount of trade explain Rihad's size.

Chougand, if anything, would probably be a smaller fishing/farming settlement.

@Nyren: The new design is nice, and emphasizes the port city aspect of Rihad, but I like the original design more, as, like it has been said, this design is too small.
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Well done once again, your pics remind me of the maps in the GOTY edition. Nice color job too. I dont think it looks like a small fishing village, but it certainly looks less urban than your original design, I guess we need to wait and see what the tech limitations are. I like the light house, simple but monolithic. Great rendering job with the flame!
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Stalker wrote:Harbors are situated outside city walls.
Yup. Or it would be too easy for an invading fleet to attack a city.

EDIT: SHouldn't we made a poll for which concept art will finally become the source for the real city? Sorry for my craptastic english.
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Hayden wrote:In regards to the harbor bit, I think it's notable that on the map Chougand is in VERY close proximity to Rihad. Could it not be that Chougand acts as the port/harbor for Rihad? This is not entirely uncommon, I cite the Hanseatic city of Bremen with it's port of Bremerhaven as my backing for this; Bremen, farther inland, relied on it's coastal satellite for much of it's port capacity.

It could be that for one reason or another Rihad itself doesn’t have a port directly integrated, instead using this satellite port.

My two cents, anyway.

...and I just realized my response is directed at a conversation 3 pages ago. I'll leave it up, however, because it's still pertinent to the debate, I think.
That was my original idea too. Originally Rihad was in the middle of the plain, not on the shore.
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There's one thing to consider with that idea. One is Hammerfell's landmass size being scaled to Cyrodil's and if it would make sense to have a seperate city and a large port town, the size of Rihad and Chougand in comparison with each other if we are to follow these concepts. It wouldnt make sense for Chougand to be bigger, obviously.

In my opinion, if we were going to opt for seperate locations Chougand could indeed use Nyren's latest concept as a small port intensive town, apart from it being situated on a corner of land, and the fort connecting across the river. Rihad could use one fo the other concepts, minus the port aspect of them, situated on plains as an agriculture intensive city, among other things, which shouldn't be too difficult.

However, according to the Arena info, while it's a tad outdated, it does recognise Rihad as a port city, like Sentinel. "Rihad, southern most port of Hammerfell". So unless people wish to argue with that there isn't much to discuss, I suppose.
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That must be why I couldnt get the idea of it being a port city out of my head!
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Orix wrote: However, according to the Arena info, while it's a tad outdated, it does recognise Rihad as a port city, like Sentinel. "Rihad, southern most port of Hammerfell". So unless people wish to argue with that there isn't much to discuss, I suppose.
As I stated earlier, though, in the case of Bremen (in Germany), it's considered to be a port city, even though the satellite harbors of Bremerhaven are located some 33 miles away. I realize Bremen may be a rather unique case, but I feel that this may be applicable.

What about the possibility of arranging it so that the city of Rihad is a bit up the river and have Chougand as the major port at the mouth of the river? It's not to say Rihad won't be a port city, just that it's a port city with it's ports just a little bit farther than most people would think ;)
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Shouldn't this be posted as news in the news part of main page now? Since we are on WSG #10 and all...only wondering.
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I'm very busy... so I left it open because the other thread is also about Rihad. Morgoth usually steps in when i'm busy but he appears to have vanished for a while.

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Since #10 is locked I just thought I'd throw this in here about Queen Blubamka of Rihad. In Arena, there is a quest that reveals that she is an impostor for the throne, and actually a cannibal.
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