9/11 Loose change

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:11 pm

The fuel-research plane is stated to have flown "10 takeoffs, 69 approaches, and 13 landings". While the approach number is possible, how do you get more landings than takeoffs?

(Before 9/11/2001 is reached)
While the selected items are suggestive, except for the puts, no mention is given to typical activity and disposition of forces.

For the stocks, although it suggests insider trading, there may have been other events which would have caused an expectation of a price drop. Recently (past decade or so?), airlines have been shaky.

(After)
The suggestion seems to be being made that a plane (location unspecified) was NOT a passenger plane, but this seems to be bases on the account of only one eywitness, who may or may not have been familiar with diffent airline color-schemes and airplane models.

It *seems* that it is implying that demolition charges may have been used in the towers (the juxtaposition of the towers falling straight down, and some other building doing the same).

Comparison between Pentagon plane and 'private jet': it seems to me that this comparison between a [url=http://www.gulfstream.com/products/]Gulfstream product[/url] (the crash referred to was of Gulfstream G-1159-A) and a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757]Boeing 757[/url] is disingenuous.

Post by **ko2fan** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 pm

You need to read http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=389037 for a proper analysis.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4100 is probably a more interesting article about the events of 9/11.

It was part of http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm that the US media neglected to report on.

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garfield

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:46 pm

The government lies, so what else is new?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:53 pm

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

The government's participation in the 9/11 attacks was to be incompetent.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:18 pm

I love conspiracy theories, however, I just feel so shit to know so many people died, just because of the government, it sickens me. And I have a feeling the survivors that are remaining, if they spread anything, they will also be disposed of 'by accident'.

It's just cus George Bush Sr, had unfinished business, which his son has finished off for him. He wanted to go to war, he wanted to get Saddam Hussein (although he wasn't good at all, he wasn't involved in 9/11). They could have taken that plane down so easily, with a few fighter jets if they'd wanted. If a plane strays even slightly, you will have jets from either country you are fly from or to, Or the country your are over, all around the plane. It would be impossible to have got the jet plane that low, without it being accepted and slightly controlled by the government.

And when the towers collapsed, when a tower collapses, it collapses, things don't explode in real live, unless there is explosives! Things down collapse, when they have reinforced metal structure. It's a load of shit, in which thousands of innocents were killed, murdered!

Sorry, i know im stating the obvious, it just disgusts me.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:38 pm

I'm giving the U.S. fifty years, tops.

After that we either
a. have a dictatorship
b. have a civil then a dictatorship
c. economy collapses
d. earth can no longer support life
e. all of the above

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:13 pm

While I'm not an American, I use to blame governments less than I blame corporations. Either way, you might want to read or watch V for Vendetta if you haven't done so yet, and see that the main message of the movie can tell a lot more than datruths33ker sites.

Terror leads to fear and fear leads people to entrust their safety to the powerful. A form of dictatorship is already underway, as I've understood, and things will only get worse. All these stuff eventually lead to the Dark Side, but that's a different story.

If I remember correctly, the UK government tried to work a trick like that (bus explosions) but fortunately didn't achieve much.

Morgoth · Post by **Morgoth** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:18 pm

Tyrion wrote:I'm giving the U.S. fifty years, tops.

After that we either
a. have a dictatorship
b. have a civil then a dictatorship
c. economy collapses
d. earth can no longer support life
e. all of the above

You forgot revolution. Or another civil war. Then I'll move to New Zealand

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:25 pm

Iceland is the place to be! apparently they're so chummy over there, they call each other (example: Bob son of Joe) Bob Joeson, or something like that. and besides, who doesn't want to live with Vikings?! they are like early pirates with red hair and longer boats!

Edit: that means I am of the opinion that we are screwed, at least in the fact that we are loosing power, money, and intelligence. the next major superpower is the EU. So assuming the world survives our downfall, europe is probably the place to be.

Edit2: Antother plus is that the EU contains many of the previous world leaders, which probably means it will do well.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:45 pm

For heaven's sake Thrignar, shut it! If you keep inviting people here, Europe will be out of space in no time!!! Besides, Europe will not reign supreme for long (if at all), and the final superpower will be Japan.

If you're big in Japan...

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:24 pm

My money's on the Republic of Ugrundiguy. They're going to be the best superpower ever! Never heard of Ugrundiguy? That's thier strength- no one saw them comming!

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:30 pm

Japan isnt doing to well either. Inflation over there is terrible and they have really crazy neighbors (NK).

And I did mention civil war, only I forgot to write in war... I wrote civil by itself by accident

Basically, think of Rome during the 4th century.

skittles · Post by **skittles** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:09 pm

i don't care about this country really

anarky all the way!!!

seriosly though i think that Mrs clinton will kill us all.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:14 pm

El Scumbago wrote:For heaven's sake Thrignar, shut it! If you keep inviting people here, Europe will be out of space in no time!!! Besides, Europe will not reign supreme for long (if at all), and the final superpower will be Japan.

If you're big in Japan...

Agreed, I am NO racist. However there is more than enoguh people in Britain, it's disgusting and by enoguh, i mean, even if there wer en't anymoer British people be born I'd be happy and no more immigrants.

ANyway, I loev conspiracy theories

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:00 pm

This is bordering on a poltical debate, which are specifically prohibited anywhere on the TR forums... so watch yourselves.

Edit: and in reference to the video posted, it's nicely done and pretty convincing within the facts that it sets up... but most of the 'facts' are simply not true.

And if you do think 9/11 was a government ploy... they can't even hide the NSA wire tapping... they sure as hell couldn't cover up something like this... and if it was uncovered, a coupe from both sides would surely insue, which is something the government does not want. It's almost comforting to belive the government is that smart to formulate something like 9/11... but really, they aren't. Since CIA cutbacks from the 60s, the CIA or anyother government agency doesn't have the recources to do something like it. So, think what you want... but just know conspiracies are just that.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:13 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:Iceland is the place to be! apparently they're so chummy over there, they call each other (example: Bob son of Joe) Bob Joeson, or something like that. and besides, who doesn't want to live with Vikings?! they are like early pirates with red hair and longer boats!

People were chummy in Holland, Denmark and Sweden with Muslim fundamentalists and Somalians, and look where it landed them. In Italy, Spain and France they were not completely adamant with them, and now they are in BIG trouble.

As for the EU, the mysterious death of Wim Duisenberg fills me with a sense that divine justice may still exist. I got into a lot of trouble because prices of many services, and especially rent prices of houses almost doubled overnight.
And I was working then, and am hardly a spend-thrift.

The EU made economic sense, but has no real base in democracy and is also an utterly corrupt institution.
At least the U.S.A. hasn't given 40% of its legislative powers away to a foreign institution.

@ Pound:

The word you are looking for is 'xenophobe'

But I am through with random immigration as well, lets try to get along with the people who already live in our countries first.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:16 pm

Alright. Locked.