[Morrowind] Map1 Beta 2.0 NPC/Dialogue Error reporting

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:56 pm

This thread is for reporting any errors you may find in the dialogue or the NPCs of map1.
Please tell us about any typos, grammar mistakes, lore inaccuracies, illogical NPC setup or AI or other issues.
Please give as much info as possible.

Please use this format for posting errors:

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NPC: Please tell us the name of the NPC you found the error in, along with their location
Topic: For dialogue errors, please mention what topic the error was found in. Otherwise, just give the type: equipment/AI/etc
Error: Report the error here.
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For example,

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NPC: Eldale (Gah Sadrith, Eldale's chambers)
Location: greeting
Error: she gives my Dunmer character this greeting: "Greetings, Khajiit"
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Cell: Senillos Tulnus (Firewatch Palace, Knight Brother's quarters)
Location: AI
Error: He attacks my PC even though i haven't commited a crime.
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It can be very helpful to use Morrowind's beta comment function to report errors. To enable this function, simply open up Morrowind.ini and find the line:

BetaCommentFile=

Change this to:

BetaCommentFile=BetaComment.txt
(You can name it anyting you want, as long as it has the proper extension)

Then when you see an error, open up the console, click on the object (you should see it's ID in the title bar), and type

bc "This is wrong"
or something similar
A log will be created stating the time, place, exact position, cell, and your comment.

Username · Post by **Username** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:04 pm

NPC: all Guards and merchants in Port Telvannis as well as the innkeeper of Tel Avenue
Topic: Hospitality papers
Error: the topic was not added/highlighted anywhere, so i couldn't buy them. Had to
addtopic "Hospitality papers"
from the console.

Edit: i just killed the innkeeper of Tel Avenue(sorry i can't remember his name) and didn't get a bounty caus there wasn't anybody nearby. So i guess i'll be taking the Hospitality papers from his cold dead body as well.

Oh, and one more thing - i couldn't take the money from the table in front of him until i killed him and removed his body because his name was all over the table. Weird.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:58 pm

Username wrote:Oh, and one more thing - i couldn't take the money from the table in front of him until i killed him and removed his body because his name was all over the table. Weird.

This happens all the time for me with the vanilla game too. Its especially annoying when something you need is under someone whose corpse you can't remove. (So this isn't a TR error)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:07 pm

You didn't understand me. I couldn't take it when he was still alive too. I get those corpse problems all the time, but that's the first one alive that caused this.

Oh, btw. I killed him again, this time there was a witness but still no bounty. Probably a low responsibility problem. I checked this in the rest of the town and only guards can add a bounty, so i had to massacre half of the peaceful residents just to get noticed.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:17 pm

H'm. Seems like the Telvanni are a bit indifferent about the lives of their populace. Who knew?

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:50 pm

Nanu Ra wrote:H'm. Seems like the Telvanni are a bit indifferent about the lives of their populace. Who knew?

I'd love to think that the problem that has just been found here was totally intended and is a bona fide design feature.....

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:10 pm

Question: Running around Ranyon-ruhn, I discovered that many of the NPCs have the topic "advancement" sounds like a filter thing. (the bartender, alchemist, the two mages in the bar...)

Question: I joined House Telvanni in Port Telvannis and have advanced in rank, so that works. However I also have a membership in Great House Telvanni with a lower rank. Is that right. (I did not join anything in Vvardenfel)

Found this in our quest error reporting:
From TR Member Haokah

Alchemical Slander
First time you speak to Irele Nathryon about the topic "slander", a few typo's
"Begun"-makes more sense as began
"Become" should be "becoming" for tense continuity

The Drunken Knight
The first journal entry after talking to Alasha Kori about "Hasilius Brahn"
"hers" should be "her's"
"Nobody" should be "nobody's" as in nobody has

After you give hasilius brahn the fortify Intel. potion, the journal entry you are given says he has passed out. Instead, he just continues to walk around as normal.

When you finish the quest, and return to the tavern, Hasilius does not stay there but continues to follow you everywhere.

Beast of Burden
You have to talk to Erdlan Galelan several times before the conversation topic "guar thief" shows up.

All of the other quests given from Master Mithras worked fine, no errors found, oh yeah, and it was pretty fun haha[/list]

*her's is incorrect. It is hers!
*can't find any such dialogue for slander topic.
*I had no problems with Hasilius Brahn.

-sounds like Haokah either does not have the current data or map file. (IMHO)

edit: There are other errors being reported [url]http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=825353&pid=12011473&st=120&#[/url]and I have not been able to duplicate them (I did a complete reinstall of MW and all the mod files, so I have no bits and pieces or leftovers)

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:21 pm

A mainland rank is equal to another vvardenfell Telvanni rank. Usually a mainland rank is worth two vvardenfell ranks. When you advance, your rank in the other faction should rise as well.

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:11 am

I found a good one!
-Journal entry upon killing the wizard leader in Tasniran(sp?)
"The wizard's leader is dead and Hasilius seems rather satisfied..." Well, Hasilius is dead. There doesn't seem to be an entry for that. Oops. (It was a very difficult battle, four wizards with nasty spells, a daedra lord, storm atronauch, and another wizard further in. Sheesh. I need a stronger character. Is it supposed to be THAT difficult? (I died three times)

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:22 am

topic: Senillos Tulnus (spelling?): "He can be found in the..." filtered for all guards but that includes the guards in Mournhold.

Witch King · Post by **Witch King** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:57 am

NPC(s): Punibi Rindo, Teris Sevuro
Location: Ranyon-ruhn, Temple
Error: I am not dispelled from the temple when I kill them.

There is one thing I wonder;
Why did you create another faction called TR_Temple on the mainland? Why didn't you use the same faction that was on Vvardenfell?

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:19 am

Witch King wrote:There is one thing I wonder;
Why did you create another faction called TR_Temple on the mainland? Why didn't you use the same faction that was on Vvardenfell?

That's essential, as factions IDs needs this to be filtered for the Mainland.

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:38 pm

Allasi Endusa, The Avenue, Port Telvannis
(after joining Mainland House Telvanni at Council Hall)
-greeting is the same "Ah, I knew you would come bck..I suppose you now want to buy your Hospitality Papers." No topic for "Hospitality Papers". Service refusal by Tulosi Salval (enchanter) Can't buy papers, shouldn't have to.
-topic: House Telvanni "Sadly, I'm afraid your membership...You might want to formally apply..." I already did that, he does not recognize that.

Belas Kasihan, Gah Sadrith Lower Tower
-referred to by thief in Water's Edge Tavern as to get on Mistress Eldale's good side. Belas is a 'she' (thief says 'he')and has no topics for Mistress Eldale or relevant to increasing one's disposition with Mistress Eldale.

Username · Post by **Username** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:07 pm

JennaK wrote:Allasi Endusa, The Avenue, Port Telvannis
(after joining Mainland House Telvanni at Council Hall)
-greeting is the same "Ah, I knew you would come bck..I suppose you now want to buy your Hospitality Papers." No topic for "Hospitality Papers".

Joining Mainland House Telvanni? I have no topic for that! Prolly my localized Morrowind version... Well... I wanted to install the original english version anyway.

Btw. I stole the Hospitality Papers first-try with only 40 Sneak skill and a 50% chameleon spell. Easiest way to get them without using the console so far. So much for them being "made to my name" and all though...

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:14 pm

The topic is actually "join House Telvanni" If you join at the Council House in Port Telvannis, your joined factions will show "Great House Telvanni" and also "Mainland House Telvanni"(something like that, it does begin with Mainland.)
-I had one service refusal so far because I had no papers. I will go back and steal them if I need to. Good Idea.

Username · Post by **Username** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:30 am

Just installed the english version of Morrowind, Tribunal and Bloodmoon and the "join house Telvanni" topic appeared. As well as some others. (except the "Hospitality papers" - they are bugged)

Oh, btw. There is a guard in Telvanni Council House Vaults that is trying to climb a wall. The door was locked when he tried to go through it and now he is stuck in some rocks. And

Cell: Port Telvannis
Location: Slave Market
Error: Lags as hell, probably too many NPCs( 22 NPCs + 1 creature!!! are u kiddin?!) and i get no bounty for attacking and killing the Mounted Dres Guard, though Ardur Salvendu (the guy that asked me to find a slave he mistakenly sold) starts attacking me and there IS a bounty for killing him. Well... i lured Ardur Salvendu out of Port Telvannis and killed him without witnesses. Yay! Two glass pauldrons. Plus the slave market lags a bit less now.

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:36 am

Just buy the Hospitality papers before you register at the Telvanni Council House. You need Ardur for another quest. It's not wise to randomnly slay NPCs.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:29 am

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NPC: Master Mithras (His tower.)
Location: slaves
Error: He still wants me to speak with Azariah about the slaves, even though Azariah is dead and Rathra's plot has been bye bye'd.
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Username · Post by **Username** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:31 pm

JennaK wrote:You need Ardur for another quest. It's not wise to randomnly slay NPCs.

Well, it lagged SO bad at the slave market when i enabled distant land in MGE that i had to get rid of some NPCs and that guy was the best candidate caus i already insulted him by not taking his quest, he didn't want to talk to me and his disposition was 0. In any case, if i'll ever need him there's always "PlaceAtMe TR_m1_PTdresNobleSlaver" Though i don't think so caus i'll probably refuse any other quests related to helping slavers as well.

NPC: Dahneela
Location: Port Telvannis, Cerul Arnem: Enchanter
Error: wants me to set her free("go free" topic) but there is no key/any means to set her free. Probably not filtered. The same with half the other slaves in Port Telvannis. Oh, and i can't purchase slaves at the slave market.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:34 pm

I would wonder why you would want to buy slaves since you appear to be such an abolitionist when you play 0.o

Username · Post by **Username** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:39 pm

Haplo wrote:I would wonder why you would want to buy slaves since you appear to be such an abolitionist when you play 0.o

Caus that seems the only way to set them free. By bying them and using the "go free" topic. Hm... i even remember getting my money back some way from the slave merchant. Probably stealing, though i'm not sure caus it was a few years ago.

HolaMayan · Post by **HolaMayan** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:33 pm

As this is my first post here, I just want to say that Tamriel Rebuilt is an amazing and fantastic project. Great job!!!

Now to the topic at hand:

NPC: Erdlan Galelan
Location: Tel Ouada, Guar Farm
Error: Erdlan Galelan exists twice. He stands next to his shack under the shelter. Also, he stands inside of his shack... unless there is some kind of Doppelgeanger Quest involved, I guess this might be an error

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:21 pm

My handwriting kinda sucks, so I'm not sure if I'm reading all the names correctly, but here's what I found seemed off during my time playing.

Bevales Girano - Dressed and equipped as an unarmed priest of some sort, yet is hostile. Seems odd at best.

Bradason Gilvani - 0 gold merchant, also lady in Silver Serpent has 0 gold

Kobin Delas sells bonemold armor and weapons despite being in a stall with kwama eggs and more pedestrian stuff.

It would be nice to add a "Gah Ouadaruhn" sign to the post nearest the molecrab farm, seeing as the guy there gives you a quest to go there. I was like hey, the guy didn't tell me where the city is! Oh there's a sign behind him, someone was thinking and added easy to find instr... err... nope. Darn.

It would also be nice to have a dialogue topic about riverstriders explaining a bit about them. With descriptions for most everything else, this seemed conspicuously absent.

Some other thoughts:
The monsters were cool, but more could be done with them... have swarms of muskflies appear sometimes, for instance. (It would have to be a script I think).

Also daedric bats, while scary, seemed pitifully weak in melee combat. Once they expend their bolt spell thing (which happens pretty darn fast) they aren't even a threat to a level one character with 2 pieces of armor and an iron weapon. Make them hurt more and add some normal weapon resistance, perhaps.

HolaMayan · Post by **HolaMayan** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:58 pm

NPC: Dolami Saren (Molagreahd Region, campfire).
Error: This NPC attacks at sight ... with bare hands. Around the campfire there's bottles, Moon Sugar, Lockpicks. These are bad guys, I assume. His fellow scoundrel Elnar Llenim attacks with a bow. Dolami should also bear a weapon.

HolaMayan · Post by **HolaMayan** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:28 pm

NPC: Olanasa Wenil (Tel Ouada, The Magic Mudcrab).
Location: greeting / barter menu.
Error: When talking to her while being diseased, her greeting is "You are afflicted with a common disease. I am a healer. Among other services, I sell a potion that cures all diseases..." - but in the barter menu she offers only Restore Health potions and Sujamma etc., no Cure Disease potions.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:30 pm

Could you wait and compile a couple of these and post a bunch at once instead of one every couple of minutes?

Silly symphonies · Post by **Silly symphonies** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:57 pm

3/27/2008 (00:21) TR_Map1.esm 3/25/2008 (23:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Gorinia00000000 Firewatch (18,15) 148880 127420 507
"After opening the door to Gorinia's bedroom, I left the key on her bed, but at the completion of the quest her dialogue still said that the key from her house was removed from my inventiry"

3/31/2008 (00:39) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Gindaman00000000 Firewatch Palace, Guild of Mages 4360 4412 10306
"He gives me no quests before I reach rank X, for which I need to do more duties, but I already finished his assistant's duties. Or does this quest only work when one is already a Vvardenfell Mages' Guild member? Or do I have to wait for the other maps (2-6) to become available?"

Silly symphonies · Post by **Silly symphonies** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:59 pm

3/29/2008 (00:08) TR_Map1.esm 3/25/2008 (23:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_GreenEyes00000000 Firewatch, Green-Eyes: Apothecary 112 26 451
"Last time while playing, the game crashed when clicking the topic 'animal products'. I dare not to click it again."

3/30/2008 (17:06) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Einnisa_Gavyn00000000 Ranyon-ruhn (27,12) 229296 102911 3162
"Her ' my trade' topic mentions she sells potions and alchemy apparatus'. However, she doesn't sell anything. Perhaps the dialogue for non-selling alchemists should be changed?"

3/31/2008 (00:21) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Hessei_Lig00000000 Bal Oyra, Keep: Mages Guild Relay -544 113 -52
"His services are only for someone of higher rank. OK, but it is a bit strange he won't transport me back after rescuing his pupil. Furthermore, then why did his coleague in Firewatch have no problems transporting me here?"

4/1/2008 (16:45) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Naral_Dunden00000000 Port Telvannis (43,17) 353404 141953 1661
"When talking to him the first time the 'cacaphony' topic was available, to which he responded: 'That's privileged information. I'm sorry.'(I had laready started the cacaphony quest previously). After that initial response, the topic disappeared from his topic list."

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:43 am

Ranyon-ruhn, Certil Florius
topic "hard times" Why does he have this topic? It seems inappropriate because he is not a resident, dialogue refers to "our town". He is only in town for the census.

JennaK · Post by **JennaK** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:18 pm

TR_Temple-message to Port Telvannis
-JE "I have spoken to a commoner about the Temple...and succesfully* (sp. successfully) convince them..."

Note: It was confusing to only have one JE for the speaking to commoners, and one for curing slaves. I did not know if the number of folk I dealt with was counted or not. After I reported back to Ratagos, the count was correct, so the computer tracked it.

booie · Post by **booie** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:43 am

I come from a family indoctrinated into grammar and syntax with editor parents so small fiddly things like this jump out at me. In the book "A Study on Guars" (hey, its good bedside material!) on page 3 it says "...Guars gathered comberries to help heal their ingured" that g should be a j. I know, its fiddly and small, but gimme a break

Fantastic, fantastic work

-C

thePraetorian · Post by **thePraetorian** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:33 am

I did a quick read through, and didn't see anyone mention this.

When speaking to The Duchess of Firewatch (Duchess Perulia Jandacia) on the topic "Latest Rumors", she refers to herself in the third person. "From what I hear of what the duchess has been doing lately, it seems she may have pushed the Telvanni too far."

Laringar · Post by **Laringar** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:20 pm

Topic : the library

In Firewatch, while looking for the library, I was directed to the West, while the library is on the far East side of the town.

I also saw some punctuation stuff in some of the books, but I'll go back through that later when I have more time. I've been trying to explore first right now, I'll sit down and read later.

Silly Symphonies · Post by **Silly Symphonies** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:06 pm

4/4/2008 (02:17) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Linatra00000000 Gah Ouadaruhn, Bal Gernak's Chambers 4605 4023 11970
"Clicking the topic animal products causes a very strange glitch and Morrowind locking up, the only remedy being resetting the computer (same glitch has happened multiple times, always with the animal products topic."

4/4/2008 (02:21) TR_Map1.esm 3/26/2008 (00:33) Eigenaar
TR_m1_Linatra00000000 Gah Ouadaruhn, Bal Gernak's Chambers 4600 4024 11970
"When clicking topic common diseases she mentions there exist 42 common diseases. Is that number not out of character information for her?"

kinneas123 · Post by **kinneas123** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:15 pm

NPC: All Firewatch Palace Foyer Guards (Possibly more as well)

Error: Despite the fact that I had a death warrant issued against me, none of the guards in the foyer attacked me unless I first spoke to them.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:28 pm

Location: Ranyon Ruhn

NPC: NPC behind bar at tavern area (forget name)

Error: Talks about the wine he sells, but doesn't actually sell any wine. Another NPC in Ranyon Ruhn does sell wine, so it's possible the barman may just be referring to him, but I'm thinking this was a mistake.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:55 pm

Every error up to now added to the error list (This is just a reminder for me)

kinneas123 · Post by **kinneas123** » Sun May 04, 2008 11:44 pm

This is not a Map 1 error per se, but nevertheless, it's a big one. Now that I have installed map 1 and its esm, I am unable to join the thieves guild on Vvardenfell, or at least in Balmora. The "Join the Thieves' Guild" dialogue simply loops over and over again every time I select yes.

Octavo · Post by **Octavo** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:02 am

Bolsnodia Grit (don't remember where)
Topic: my trade
All of the lines appeared to be broken short so that a large gap was left next to the text.

Ranyon Rhun commoners
Topic: census
The dialogue calls him a handy man in the temple but the Journal entry calls him a miner.

Redram Oren (his house in Port Telvannis)
Topic: none
Activating the body can give journal entry twice

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Wed May 14, 2008 2:57 pm

Re: miner/handyman bloke issue, he's officially meant to be a miner.

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