Linking the mainland to map 1....

souldread · Post by **souldread** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:48 pm

I think this needs to be done. In order to have it seem realistic, there should be some way of getting to map 1 area and other areas by other means. perhaps Mages guilds should be able to provide guild guides for transportation, or boats from Vvardenfell. When you think about it, would it really make sense for this great central city to be inaccessible from the outside, and vise-versa? I know the idea is that we don't want to alter the origional Vvardenfell land, but I don't see how one or two changes to where boats or guild guides can take you is a big deal. Just my ten cents, do with them what you will....

Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:24 pm

I thought Vvardenfell was under quarantine because of the blight?

Morgoth Bauglir · Post by **Morgoth Bauglir** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:46 pm

there isn't a blight anymore after you completed the MQ, right?

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:04 pm

But the quarantine is still there.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:46 pm

Until it's lifted. There's some contradictory dialogue about that in Tribunal, saying travel to Mournhold was still blocked despite the end of the Blight -- apparently, the quarantine was no longer, but Mournhold was still closed by Almalexia.

I've made a plugin that adds smugglers that transport you to the mainland; but unfortunately everytime Map1.esm was updated, I had to redo everything as for some weird reason the cells were emptied. And I forgot to put the smugglers back... So, TR_Map1_Connection, which you can find on TESSource, doesn't do one part of what it was supposed to do. Oh well, I think it's still worth it for the siltstriders at Firewatch, Ranyon-ruhn and Bal Oyra.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:14 pm

Hmm, I was thinking of doing a bridge link between Vv Ebonheart and Old Ebonheart. And make the bridge guarded by Imperial troopers like in early versions of M1 with the Tel Mora-FW crossing.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:29 pm

personaly, i dont like the look of a bridge acors a sea. it look unrealistic and often bad.

i am not agains a smuggler or something to get you over though.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:40 pm

Na meng

The empire has to run boats to and from Vvardenfell for some things. Moving troops, officials, supplies, trade goods, etc. You have to make some exceptions in the quarentine. I think that casual travel should be restricted but at a few ports you can purchase travel papers clearing you for the mainland. Like the hospitality papers you need to get into Sadrith Mora. Basically you're not allowed on a boat to the mainland unless you have clearence from an Imperial officer of... trade or public health or something like that.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:23 am

Tyrion wrote:Basically you're not allowed on a boat to the mainland unless you have clearence from an Imperial officer of... trade or public health or something like that.

Seems it's the Census & Excise office that's responsible for that, as backwater Seyda Neen was the port to enter and leave Vvardenfell.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:23 am

there's a lot of potential for a nice "hiding on a military transport and dodging guards" kinda quest here

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:46 am

As having Tribunal is necessary for playing TR, why not have the connection with Mainland through gates of Mournhold Palace?. The Almalexia should really be the first place for a player of TR to see.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:58 am

Theo wrote:As having Tribunal is necessary for playing TR, why not have the connection with Mainland through gates of Mournhold Palace?. The Almalexia should really be the first place for a player of TR to see.

Because then, Map3 should have been Map1.

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:51 am

Gez wrote:Because then, Map3 should have been Map1.

Its just a matter of time

Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:45 pm

Tyrion wrote:Na meng

The empire has to run boats to and from Vvardenfell for some things.

Really easy to say when you're the one enforcing the quarantine.

NEENJA · Post by **NEENJA** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:58 pm

Maybe there could be a quest where you gain the trust of a census agent, and he gives you access to a boat to the mainland. Other wise you're stuck swimming.

--the NEENJA

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:05 am

Well there's always that mage in Ebonheart. If I remember correctly she transports you right into Mournhold despite the quarentine.

Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:37 am

Tyrion wrote:Well there's always that mage in Ebonheart. If I remember correctly she transports you right into Mournhold despite the quarentine.

Yeah, but at that point you are supposed to be the Nerevarine. The Imperial garrison knows that you're Hortator. House animosity (and the Tribunal) is all that keeps the Empire in Morrowind.

They have lots of reason to acquiesce to the war leader of the Ashlanders and three Great Houses.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:45 am

Xui'al wrote:
Tyrion wrote:Well there's always that mage in Ebonheart. If I remember correctly she transports you right into Mournhold despite the quarentine.
Yeah, but at that point you are supposed to be the Nerevarine. The Imperial garrison knows that you're Hortator. House animosity (and the Tribunal) is all that keeps the Empire in Morrowind.

They have lots of reason to acquiesce to the war leader of the Ashlanders and three Great Houses.

She lets you travel with it even when you aren't even a Blade.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:50 am

interesting thought: does she let you travel when you have corpus?

Post by **Gnomey** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:35 am

I'd imagine she would... maybe Bethesda made the greeting a Greeting 5. Anyway, I had the impression that she teleported you because the Dark Brotherhood was after you, and you obviously do not want to be quarantined on an island while troops of DB assassins come after you.

But anyway, I like the idea that 1. you can easily get to the mainland if you belong to the Imperial Legion, (though you will need to go to an Imperial healer for a check-up), 2. you can go via the Census and Excise office by visiting an Imperial healer as in 1 to make sure that you don't have corpus and, after returning to the Census and Excise office and meeting some other requirements, (Make sure that you don't have any illegal items on you, (maybe) check to make sure that you don't belong to any shady organization , check the bounty to make sure that you're clean...), you can be sent to the Mainland by boat, and 3. smugglers. For people who can't quite meet the other requirements, whether they actually have corpus or are just plain criminals. Maybe there could even have a bribe/reputation option for 2.

And then there's swimming. It's not that bad, it gives your player some good exercise.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:31 pm

Gnomey wrote:I'd imagine she would... maybe Bethesda made the greeting a Greeting 5. Anyway, I had the impression that she teleported you because the Dark Brotherhood was after you, and you obviously do not want to be quarantined on an island while troops of DB assassins come after you.

But anyway, I like the idea that 1. you can easily get to the mainland if you belong to the Imperial Legion, (though you will need to go to an Imperial healer for a check-up), 2. you can go via the Census and Excise office by visiting an Imperial healer as in 1 to make sure that you don't have corpus and, after returning to the Census and Excise office and meeting some other requirements, (Make sure that you don't have any illegal items on you, (maybe) check to make sure that you don't belong to any shady organization , check the bounty to make sure that you're clean...), you can be sent to the Mainland by boat, and 3. smugglers. For people who can't quite meet the other requirements, whether they actually have corpus or are just plain criminals. Maybe there could even have a bribe/reputation option for 2.

And then there's swimming. It's not that bad, it gives your player some good exercise.

I'd not allow the player travel if they had any kind of a disease. It wouldn't be a major quarantine if only those with corprus weren't allowed, as they're all mutated crazy folk. The main worry is blight, not corprus. (Just because if you've got corprus you're probably not going to be asking politely for travel. The player is an exception)

Post by **Gnomey** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:29 pm

Good point. I actually always thought that corprus took a while to take effect, but I'm probably getting it mixed up with vampirism. Probably a lot of the quarantine is just paranoia anyway, you'd probably have to be pretty silver-tongued and shove around plenty of gold before anyone decides that it's safe and worthwhile to send you over to the mainland.