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angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:28 am

ill have a crack at this, not sure if i can collision it properly tho since my Nifprops is playing up on Export but i can atleast provide a working base from the CA

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:04 am

If your problem is in .nifskop you can make a custom collision mesh in blender.

Here's a link to the blender webpage:
http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/

A link to the Niftool .nif export and import scripts:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=149157

And a link to tutorial on creating custom Collision meshes for your .nif file:
http://niftools.sourceforge.net/wiki/Blender/Collision

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:19 am

nah the problems with nifprops plugin for Max. exports Collsion lookin like.. well... half the size of the origonal mesh.. and no, doubling the collsion mesh's size doesnt help. /cry
a well, made a solid start on this anyway since no1 is around to aprovezors atm

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:22 pm

Save the scene -> Ctrl + A -> Go to the utilities panel -> Reset X-Form -> Export the mesh -> Load the previously saved scene, without saving changes.

OR

Save the scene -> Select the collision mesh -> Go to the utilities panel -> Reset X-Form -> Export the mesh.

That will fix all your problems with collisions :) (at least it does for me) Granting.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:48 pm

collision Problems fixzored.

its as close to teh Concept Art as i can possibly get. although rather too small

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:13 pm

Looking fine. But what about that "should be octogonal" thing in the description?

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:43 pm

yeh was wondering about that myself. atm im working from the CA unless Aro says otherwise

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:46 pm

It needs to be an octagon. Aro will agree. Also, remember Gez is HoCA now so he has authority in this matter.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:48 pm

ahh allrighty then.
which bit do we need octagonal then? and is there any CA of it Octagonal?

presuming its just the base that needs octagonizing?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:01 pm

Nah, the faÃƒÂ§ade.

Joking, yeah, it's the base. No concept art of it as far as I know. "Just" split it up to detach the four sides, then duplicate a (non-faÃƒÂ§ade) side to get four more and arrange them in a neat regular octagonal pattern.

Though you may keep a backup of the square version. Who knows, it might be of use later.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:02 pm

Aro have said so MANY times...

Take your existing mesh, save the entrance bit an one of the sides. Make an octagonal base, twist the side wall to match the base and copy and repeat, or make a new one. Whatever is easiest ( I have no idea how to operate a 3d program)

Nice mesh though

edit - gez, we ninja each other...

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:03 pm

its even faster than that y'no.. its

3dmax
new Compound
Octagon
resize
win

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:58 pm

allrighty, i cant get this to export from Max properly. its being a bitch for some reaosn. cant get the Xform to stay correct upon Export.

so instead heres the re-done Octagon base, UVW template and a screenie

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:09 pm

Oh dear, quid pro quo. I though that by base you meant the base shape of the temple itself. Which is why I was talking about copying the walls.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:15 pm

oooooooooooooooooooooh

rofl. you want the temple octagonal not the base,
so you want a square base? with octagonal temple?
or both octagonal...

want to buy Concept Art of this!

*runs off to cry

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:59 pm

Make both the structure and base ocagonal.

Send 100Ã‚Â£ to my account and you will have a concept of it by tomorrow ;P

Just add 4 courners to the structure as both me and gez suggested and it will be fine, or if you make a new one from scratch.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:03 pm

Octagonal everything.

As far as concept art goes, you've got that one from Harke:
[url=http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temple6abird2wd3.jpg][img]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3956/temple6abird2wd3.th.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temple6asunmy2.jpg][img]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1628/temple6asunmy2.th.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temple6atopse9.jpg][img]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5186/temple6atopse9.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Now just imagine if Harke's temple and the one in the job description loved each other very much and had a baby. It would have the octagonal shape of Harke's and the faÃƒÂ§ade and side walls of the concept. Yeah. Dig it?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:31 am

Gez wrote:Octagonal everything.

Now just imagine if Harke's temple and the one in the job description loved each other very much and had a baby. It would have the octagonal shape of Harke's and the faÃƒÂ§ade and side walls of the concept.

Gez is 100% right. I actually can give a concept for this if you still want me to explain the octagonal thing

It's simple as that. ATM, your temple has 4 sides of walls. While an octagon has 8. If your temple will have 8 sides of walls, that will like just fine.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu May 01, 2008 10:01 am

okays, judging by Harke's CA and the Original CA this is what it now looks like.

although I must say, prefer the Square one.
just seems more impressive somehow

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu May 01, 2008 10:31 am

Yeah, because you're using Harke's walls (small with a single arch) rather than the concept's walls (long with four arches). We told you to keep the walls and faÃƒÂ§ade of the concept art, just with seven normal walls and one faÃƒÂ§ade.

(Please don't get fed up with the claim. You will get it right eventually.

)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:23 am

Right...

I did some cleaning on your mesh, because it had a lot useless polies and that type of junk.

Before wrote:Verts: 2751
Faces: 1477

After wrote:Verts: 2316
Faces: 999

Please have a look. Reducing polies by 1/3 with keeping the effect unchanged shouldn't be neglected.

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:20 pm

Any chance of recieving this as a nif object to see how it fits Rihad?

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:25 pm

Ah-h-h-h, finally 8 sides. It needs detailing though. Looks a bit to simple right now.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:32 pm

Nemon, download the pack Angelus uploaded. It has a nif, I didn't review that one though.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:55 pm

Any progress? Are you willing to finish this?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:51 pm

You logged in, you didn't reply. Revoke.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:30 pm

claiming. already made a base, very wip and stuff:

[url=http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hftemplelh2.jpg][img]http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9268/hftemplelh2.th.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php][img]http://img357.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif[/img][/url]
please criticise/comment/bitch at me - thanks.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:03 am

What about the original design? It was perfect. Don't re-invent the wheel. Finish off the model that is 90% complete.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:10 pm

at IRC there has been some discussion about what we should actually take as the original design. I personally didn't like the octagonal thing because IMO it doesn't give much space for nice looking frescoes and mosaics, which, IMO, are awesome.(especially since CA's already made some awesome looking pieces) Therefore I asked Lady N if I could use a style similar to the Byzantine/Russian orthodox churches/temples because that does give space for the nice decorations, and she thought that was okay.

Of course I will try adapt the vision of most TR members, but for now I will continue with what I have now. I'll let the core decide if I can continue with the Byzantine/orthodox Russian temple style idea or work on that octagonal temple.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:10 am

the new temple: i love it. it has two problems however
-it is very cool and unique, making it hard to use many times over.
-it appears to be quite large, i am not sure how well it will fit into Rihad or Taneth.

the old temple: latest file (aro's) is in max, so someone needs to convert it over. judging by the older file, i think it needs more detail. i also think that its too small, making it rather anticlimactic.

any way you can do both? once you convert the max into a usable format you could add a little more detail to it, map it, and slap on a texture (im willing to help out). the larger one can maybe be made slightly smaller and then detailed and mapped with the same textures as the other one. it can then be a unique city temple, im thinking Hegathe.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:46 am

Doing both is okay. I'll just make this one smaller and detail the existing octagonal mesh. Uploading the new temple wip for aro.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:00 pm

Lady Nerevar, the max file I uploaded is JUNK. Forget it. I just uploaded it to show Angelus how much better it can be done polywise. Don't even try to use it.

Jelle, I like your temple very much. It's polywise. The only part that might need some redoing is the front with those implemented arches. But you do not need to care too much about it. Some edges still need smoothing (chamfering). These ones for example:
[url=http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/?action=view&current=smoothedgesyoubitch.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_smoothedgesyoubitch.jpg[/img][/url]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:31 pm

alright, if working with the file Angelus provided there are other things to fix. notably there are a lot of hidden faces (bottoms, insides of things) that need to be removed. part of the temple was flashing in nifskope, indicating overlapping faces.

also, dont forget to resize your model before its done

i went to test it in the CS and its *tiny*

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:38 pm

I like both temples (similar to concept and Jelle's) a lot. Why not give two different cities two different temples?

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:18 am

Chamfered edges and made it less wide, also tweaked the towers a bit.
[url=http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hftemplezu4.jpg][img]http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8724/hftemplezu4.th.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php][img]http://img377.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif[/img][/url]

Aeven: From what I've heard the plan is to use the octagonal temple for every city except the city with the "new" temple, but I'm not entirely sure about this.

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:44 am

Jelle, is there any plan for textures for this?

bamman62 · Post by **bamman62** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:22 pm

It is awesome!

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:07 pm

Aeven wrote:I like both temples (similar to concept and Jelle's) a lot. Why not give two different cities two different temples?

Basically because TR doesn't have to o many modellers. We could plan out two types of bridges, two types of docks, two types of this, two types of that and we'd end up in the middle of nowhere.

BUT. All in all, modding is just a hobby, so if someone wants to make something that is useful, there is no reason to stop him.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:54 pm

I strongly agree with Morden that the original design was better, for reasons I already said to you in IRC. It was, in fact, designed to include frescos on each of its 8 outer and 8 inner sides, without requiring a modular interior tileset.

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:05 am

Jelle wrote: [url=http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hftemplezu4.jpg][img]http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8724/hftemplezu4.th.jpg[/img][/url]

This seems too unique to use more than once. Also the dome on top is too squished. I haven't been following along with the progress of this model, but I agree with Sload and Morden; the circular design was more universal, simpler, and complete.