i3-500-Imp

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:21 pm

Claim type: Interior
Claim ID: TR_i3-500-Imp (#1595)
Faction: Imperial
Parent claim: TR_3-24-Imp (#128)
Claimed by: Parted User
Status: Not Available (Progress: 60%)
Local map: OE Castle
Location: 1:(833, -2497):0
Files: TR_i3-500-Imp_Thrignar Fraxix_1.esp; TR_i3-500-Imp_Thrignar Fraxix_2.esp; TR_i3-500-Imp_Thrignar Fraxix_3.esp; TR_i3-500-Imp_Thrignar Fraxix_4.esp

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Old Ebonheart Castle. Should be mostly kitchen. Please look at this in the CS.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:37 pm

I probably shouldn't but I am going to claim this. This building will house the head of the navy, the governor of morrowind, the head of the legion in morrowind, the head office of the mages guild for morrowind, the head office of fighters guild for morrowind. If there is still room after all of these things then I will add some embassies from Hammerfell, Summerset Isle, and Elsewyr. This will be done as fast as reasonably possible, but don't expect it any time soon.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:10 am

Grant

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:37 am

A little irrelevant, but anyway.

A while back me and Sloadie were having a discussion about the six administrative districts of Morrowind. One of these was based in Tear and comprised of the Dres Great House lands. Neither of us thought that the Dres would sit idly whilst an Imperial hierarchy replaced several of their functions. So we came up with the idea that the Duke of the Dres district fears for his life and now lives in high security (though in comfort) in Old Ebonheart castle.

I don't know if you would incorporate that idea or not. Though now it can't be said in the future when/if we get to Map 6 quests that the possibility wasn't addressed.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:00 am

Thrig, just sos ya know, it's canon that the Mainland Archmage is in Almalexia. (Trebonius mentions him at some point: I think if you complete "dissappearance of the Dwarves", he says "Wait till the Arch Mage of Almalexia hears about this!" or something)

So unless there's some kind of uber-head of the Mages Guild, above the two Archmages, the mainland Archmage is in Almalexia.

gro-Dhal · Post by **gro-Dhal** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:08 am

He could always work in Ebonheart but live in Almalexia, or vice versa. I doubt the commute would be a problem.

Edit: and I hope you find space for some embassies, that'd be great.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:30 pm

I have created two rooms for the guild leaders in the guilds in Almalexia. But if you think the leaders should be in Old Ebonheart, they can also be used by the local leaders. If they are in the lead in Almalexia they should be pretty powerful anyway.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:53 pm

Almalexia is where lore states at least the Mages Guild leader is. Unless we've changed our policy on lore (which I doubt), or we can come up with a very good excuse, Almalexia is where the Archmage should be.

Fighters Guild head is not mentioned, though.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:52 pm

One would assume that if the MG head is in Almalexia, the FG head would be too. In generally Imperial-hostile provinces like Morrowind, one would expect them to stick together to some extent.

That and gameplay.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:04 am

oh, ok. just wolverine hall-esque guild halls then. (or whatever that thing at sadrith mora is called.)

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:37 am

But bigger.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:10 pm

well duh, I do have to fill this monstrous creation. =P I just meant that the style of those places will be kept in mind. (I.E. how they did the guild guide thing)

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:49 pm

Can you have a big kitchen please. By big I mean like freakin' awesome and big enough to feed a castle's worth of inhabitants.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:20 pm

[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/EverythingPastedtogether.jpg]What I have so far all pasted into one cell for simplicity's sake. Its fucking huge and I still have 4 towers and the building by the dock to make.[/url]

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:32 am

Aren't there gonna be any imp_large or whatever its called in this. I can't see any, but I'm positive Old Ebonheart Castle would have more than just a few.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:29 am

there are a few in the legion HQ, but the construction of the building is more vertical than horizontal which makes it rather hard to place the large pieces

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:45 am

I see. I always imagined going into the castle and the great hall would be those pieces x2 in size. I tried it and the textures don't actually pull too much and it can look really good. Ah well.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:20 am

It would have to be in a basement if anywhere due to the exterior layout, and going down 4 stories just to add a grand hall seems a bit excessive.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:57 am

Well, it is the biggest castle in Morrowind, but I guess you're right.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:54 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:It would have to be in a basement if anywhere due to the exterior layout, and going down 4 stories just to add a grand hall seems a bit excessive.

But it's not excessive if it's a big grand hall kitchen

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:10 pm

In defence of TF, it is really difficult to make forts match their exterior and place grand halls. You need to have 8 free tiles (without stairs, arrowshutters, etc), 4 on each floor (the piece is two normal imperial tiles high). If you know fort wavemoth, I had a hard time placing them there as well, and I only placed two in total. So be glad with every grand hallpiece that TF can fit into the castle and if he can't; well he can't.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:48 pm

god TF

thats the most boring interior layout ive ever seen

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:02 am

You cant do much with the imp tiles unfortunately.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:16 am

I haven't added any rooms yet as I am only working on the shell ATM.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:23 am

im sure you can make more interesting like stairways though

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:04 pm

so, late last night I am working on this interior, and I come to a strange part where I am having difficulty fitting things in the cramped legion training hall (building on the far north FYI) So I decide to look at how other forts handled the same building. WELL it turns out what I was designing as a 4x4 (ex_keep_1) has actually been done as a 6x6. SO I went through and gradually started reworking THE ENTIRE FUCKING INTERIOR. Good news is though, now there can be more of those large halls you people wanted. ATM I only still have to re-work the south tower, but really, that shouldn't be too hard. (especially compared to the legion hall... ow...)

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:37 am

So we can have a bigger kitchen?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:02 am

Haplo wrote:kitchen

Haplo wrote:big kitchen

Haplo wrote:a bigger kitchen?

good lord man, if you have such a grand desire and great vision as far as the kitchen is concerned, perhaps I should designate an area and just let you do it.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:50 am

You forgot the first time I mentioned it

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:00 am

He didn't, he just mismatched the first two.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:50 pm

An idea came to me today as I was reviewing and I wanted to get some feedback as to the logic before I implemented it.

What if the top of one of the towers was being remodeled on the inside? The player would go to the base if this tower (meaning the lowest part of the interior) and see that for the entirety or so of the tower it is nothing but a shell. From the top, if the player manages to pick the heavily locked door and ignores the warning note they will appear on a ledge with no where to go except back out or down the shaft. anyway, post thoughts on coolness, feasibility, logic, etc.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:11 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:anyway, post thoughts on coolness, feasibility, logic, etc.

I do not 是認する of this joke (or whatever you crazy Swahili kids say).

That's the kind of "oh, fuck this shit" joke that smells like a request for revocation coming up...

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm

uh... what?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:57 pm

You're saying you want to make a tower totally empty and useless, aren't you?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:01 pm

there would be some scaffolds decending from the cieling, bricks in stacks at the base, and perhaps a few sticking out where the floors would normally go. I'm not doing this because I am lazy or don't want to do it, I am doing it because you never see anything like this even though it has to happen at some point and I think it would be funny.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:36 pm

If it's a small tower, yeah. By small I mean not a square one.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:28 pm

I think it would be really funny, please make the note at the top door humourous.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:16 am

I like it.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:28 pm

new WiP posted. IIRC all cells have been updated to the correct size. Tower is the IC tower. really, you could get to it by CoCing into any of the cells as all interior cells are linked. The construction tower isn't done yet, but there is enough there to give the basic idea of what I was going for.

(I chose this tower because it was small, was literally impossible to do with the current resources, and makes for some amusing priest complaints. (primarily from the one whose office was below the tower before they decided to add it)

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:49 pm

[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/OECastleNumbered.jpg]ok, I have largely figured out what is going where. Numbers listed below relate to this picture.[/url]

(Clicking these will take you to labeled picture of the current shell for that tower. No link then no shell done.)
[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/SouthTower.jpg]1: South Tower[/url]
[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/LegionTower.jpg]2: Legion Tower[/url]
[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/ICTower.jpg]3: IC Tower[/url]
[url=http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/ThrignarFraxix/LegionTrainingTower.jpg]4: Legion Training Tower[/url]
5: Dormitories for the Soldiers
6: Grand hall of records. (I.E. Names of every soldier in morrowind as of some arbitrary past date. List of all noteworthy events in the province that happened over the last few years (as in however many to the last year that was divisible by 5. books before that could be decrepit and unreadable) Records of the treasury and what is contained in the vault. basically, everything there is to know. I would appreciate help in writing these.)
7: Guild Tower, Fighters below, mages above, (am I forgetting any other guilds that would have a base here?)
8: Main tower. Vault in basement, low floors are reception, then a servant quarters floor only reachable from the floor above it which is the kitchen which itself is only reachable from the floor above it which is the grand dining hall. Above that are the offices of VERY high ranking imperials in various guilds. Above that is the housing for the governer's private guards, then the governor's primary advisor, then the reception area for the governor, followed finally by his/her private quarters.
9: Dockside Complex. Home to major naval officials, census and excise, storage, temporary sailor quarters, temporary prisoner quarters for those to be shipped to wavemoth, and perhaps even a sailor specific tavern depending on space.