Blue Book (House Dres) Info needed

[Haplo]

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Blue Book of Great House Dres<BR><BR>
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[The Blue Book is a yearbook of the affairs of the Dres High Council for 3E 426. It lists the current members of the council and their residences. It also chronicles significant events and council actions for the year.]<BR>
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Councilors of House Dres<BR>
Dres District<BR>
Imperial Era 426<BR>
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Grand Magnate BLAHBLAH, by Grace of ALMSIVI, Chief Councilor of Dres Council, Tear, Morrowind Tribunate<BR>
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Magnate Galtis Vanym, by Grace of ALMSIVI, Archcounsel of the Dres, Ald Mar, Lord of the Andaram, of Vanym Manor, Morrowind Tribunate.<BR>
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Magnate Lleynim Gaor, by Grace of ALMSIVI, Archcounsel of the Dres, Tear, Morrowind Tribunate<BR>
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Magnate BLAHBLAH, by Grace of ALMSIVI, Archcounsel of the Dres, Silnim, Lord of SOMEWHERE, Morrowind Tribunate<BR>
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Magnate BLAHBLAH, by Grace of ALMSIVI, Archcounsel of the Dres, Corkarth-Ruhn, Lord of SOMEWHERE, of BLAHBLAH Manor, Morrowind Tribunate<BR>
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Council Affairs of Note<BR>
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We need to fill this in with TR-accurate & Lore-accurate information.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

Is it blue or gray?

And what do you mean by accurate? Do you mean 'TR-accurate', or 'lore-accurate'?

[Sload]

thought:

these are collected by the Imperials. Because the Dres kinda hate them and the Deshaan district is really being run out of Old Ebonheart instead of some tangible hold inside the distirct, they couldn't get a book of 426. So while all the others are of 426, this one is of 411 or something around then.

Because theyre written by the Imperials, it would be more

Magnate BLAHBLAH, Archcounsel of the Dres, CITY OF RESIDENCE, REGION, District of Deshaan, Province of Morrowind

sorry I told you different earlier

and the chief would be Grand Magnate.

there is a magnate in..

Ald Mar
Silnim
at least 2 in Tear
a private estate because he's a vampire (the only Dres vampire)
Balsan Mar maybe?

[gro-Dhal]

Then it could be slightly out of date, you could have one of the listed councillors be dead and their spouse/heir governing in their place. It's nice when not everything is perfect.

[theviking]

The major cities in Dres territory are Tear off course, and Corkath Ruhn, Silnim Dale, Ald Mar and possibly Ald Dwerelyn.

[Sload]

What's happening with Corkarth Ruhn?

[Thrignar Fraxix]

its been redone in velothi already IIRC. I don't have a link right now, but I am 90% certain it is done.

[Hemitheon]

at the moment there is no House Dres book in TR_Data, I remember there being one but its gone or replaced with Indoril info, aka grey book. But I guess better to use blue as that is its house color.

<- still asleep and ranting

[Haplo]

There is an white book, which is Indoril, and a Grey book, named correctly and titled correctly, but with Indoril information. Once this is done, I'm going to rename the Grey book and place this information in it.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

I thought these books were a House publication?

[Sload]

I thought these books were a House publication?

They were intended to be and they can be if you want. I think we interpretted the white book as a house publication, so we should interpret this the same way.

But it sucks cause the brown book refers to them as being in the province of morrowind and the telvanni would never say that.

so yeah, keep your top post haplo. screw the this-is-out-of-date bullshit too. ignore my last post basically.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

On the Magnate (cool name, I like) front, what are the major Dres cities. I haven't even looked at Map 6, so know bugger all. Is Sload's list up-to-date (he's been off a while, I believe)?

We can assume they'll all be Dunmer, with perhaps one plucky outlander type, who gets to be the whipping boy for the others? Or are the Dres just too xenophobic even for that?

[Nomadic1]

There wouldn't be an outlander Dres councillor.

For a whipping boy there might an outlander Dres noble.

[Sload]

I forgot Corkarth-ruhn.

I have no idea what Ald Dwerelyn is.

[theviking]

Ald Dwerelyn is this town: http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/download.php?id=13567
I think it is councillor-worthy, but only just.

[Gnomey]

House Dres's colour is blue? Now I'm completely confused. I have heard people saying that the house colour was green, and others saying that it was grey, (my personal preferance), but I've always heard of blue being the indoril colour. (Competing with white). I'm not disagreeing with calling it the blue book, but where do people get this information? Could someone give me a link?

[Haplo]

House Hlaalu is Yellow, House Redoran is Red, House Telvanni is Brown, House Indoril is White, House Dres is Blue (with some blood red and grey). I know Black wind lists the house color as grey on TIL, but I'm pretty sure that was just made up to suit them. That and the grey was so dark and saturated it looked really close to blue. Since Indoril's color is white, (which is really close to grey) and House Dres' seat of power is Tear (a tear, which is essentially water, which is blue), I think it's safe to say their house color should be Blue.

I've never heard anyone mention green before though. That would better suit Telvanni than Dres.

Edit: And all our models and resources are blue already. And I have it from Proweler that Black Wind's Article is made-up/fan-fiction, so it has no source. And since he just lists the color without any proof or source, and I list mine with lots of it, mine wins

Also, it's dark blue here which is the only source I can find:
http://www.imperial-library.info/maps/concept_morrowind.jpg

Tribunal's color there is green, and it's right next to Dres, so maybe that's why you thought it was Dres

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

Whilst doing a search on BGSF, I turned up this reference to one of those RPs that some of the devs (or was it only ex devs?) got involved with a while back:

"Helseth is married to Dres Dinara ["formerly Dres Vendama"], according to Ted Peterson as played in an RP on these forums. Some ideas from this RP have appeared in the 3rd. Edition PGE among it the war between the Houses."

If anyone can be bothered, (and I may well do it anyway) there's a lead to follow up, if we want to pay some homage to that. If we don't, or if for some reason it is deemed Boring, then no worries.

But I figured it'd be better than nothing.

The main problem is that none of us here (AFAIK) were actually involved in said RP, so I'd hate to put words in the mouth of a character created by others. But I'm sure we could ask the folk involved.

[Gnomey]

House Hlaalu is Yellow, House Redoran is Red, House Telvanni is Brown, House Indoril is White, House Dres is Blue (with some blood red and grey). I know Black wind lists the house color as grey on TIL, but I'm pretty sure that was just made up to suit them. That and the grey was so dark and saturated it looked really close to blue. Since Indoril's color is white, (which is really close to grey) and House Dres' seat of power is Tear (a tear, which is essentially water, which is blue), I think it's safe to say their house color should be Blue.

I've never heard anyone mention green before though. That would better suit Telvanni than Dres.

Edit: And all our models and resources are blue already. And I have it from Proweler that Black Wind's Article is made-up/fan-fiction, so it has no source. And since he just lists the color without any proof or source, and I list mine with lots of it, mine wins

Also, it's dark blue here which is the only source I can find:
http://www.imperial-library.info/maps/concept_morrowind.jpg

Tribunal's color there is green, and it's right next to Dres, so maybe that's why you thought it was Dres

Good enough for me, blue it is then. However, I should note that "tear" as water is an English word. According to Majra's translator "tear" means "shadow" in Dunmeri, and shadows are gray. (Or black). As for the green, I only ever read that once. I think it is in a thread in TR about House Dres which is really old, but at the time of it's writing was apparently supposed to be the collected Lore on House Dres, which is why I even bothered to mention it. I can't be sure though, I might have seen it somewhere else. Actually, now that I think of it, I do remember a grayish-blue being used for House Dres a couple of times...

[Haplo]

Come on people... give me some names!

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

Names?

That's easy enough. How about:

Haamil Radrin

Falar Llothri

Lustiya Radreth

Jara Embemar

Meera Asadanas



These are just off the top of my head, so feel free to dimiss/play around with them, or whatever.

If I had to choose just one of those, Jara Embemar is my personal favourite.

[Sload]

Magnate Vanym Galtis, by Grace of ALMSIVI (blessed be their holy names), Archcounsel of the Dres, Ald Mar, Lord of the Andaram, of Vanym Manor, Morrowind Tribunate.

Note: That's a last name, first name thing.

[Gnomey]

Gelas Reynari. The only decent Dunmer name that I can think of. And incidentally also the name of the NPC I made for my showcase.

[Harke the Apostle]

Male:

Etves Ardalas
Ghede Hleromith
Lloola Aran

Female:

Miorni Saladno
Galin Rensandas
Arlalin Othrilethi

[gro-Dhal]

Rano Hleroth
Sarvala Sandrys
Tivere Umerys
Gals Andaron

[blackbird]

Dhaunayne the vampire from House Dres, stated in the book 'a game at dinner'. However its not very sure if he/she's really exist.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

She's the AUndae clan head on Vvardenfell, not a Dres councilor.

[Haplo]

Whilst doing a search on BGSF, I turned up this reference to one of those RPs that some of the devs (or was it only ex devs?) got involved with a while back:

"Helseth is married to Dres Dinara ["formerly Dres Vendama"], according to Ted Peterson as played in an RP on these forums. Some ideas from this RP have appeared in the 3rd. Edition PGE among it the war between the Houses."

If anyone can be bothered, (and I may well do it anyway) there's a lead to follow up, if we want to pay some homage to that. If we don't, or if for some reason it is deemed Boring, then no worries.

But I figured it'd be better than nothing.

The main problem is that none of us here (AFAIK) were actually involved in said RP, so I'd hate to put words in the mouth of a character created by others. But I'm sure we could ask the folk involved.

Could you do this please, BC?

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

I'll do my best.

EDIT: Unfortunately due to the nature of the forum's archiving system, that's about as useful/deep as the info gets. If we want the full deal, it'd be best to ask Tedders himself.

Perhaps Lady N or Gez could, seeing as they have quite a bit of Lore Forum cred, and might thus have a better chance of getting a response from Ted?

If not, I could try asking.

[Lady Nerevar]

kay, nothing in particular yet, but here is Lorana's RP site. may be of value. http://lorannarp.pbwiki.com/

[post will be edited as i find more information]

here is her character sheet, a summary of all the info available on her. http://lorannarp.pbwiki.com/Character+Sheet+-+Dinara

[Sload]

Fuck Loranna's RP.

Seriously, of the multitude of negative influences on the direction of lore that have come out of the clusterfuck of anally retentive nerds and idiots that surrounds it, Loranna's RP was by far the worst. Thank God it's dead.

What made it worse than all the other bullshit that goes on is that it actually impacted lore. It's not unsurprising that it sucks. No offensive to them intended, but it was nothing more than any other roleplay filled with relatively untalented people who have a shitty idea of what makes for an interesting world and a moralistic drive to "fix" their favorite characters so that they will be bastions of our modern Western ideals and values in a world with no actual experience with such concepts. The only thing that made Loranna's RP special was that Ted Peterson, who himself has a taste in worldbuilding somewhere between Forgotten Realms and dreadful pulp novels, was a participant and decided to engage in a wanton circle jerk with his comrades by including their horrible and tasteless ideas in his subtly awful contribution to Oblivion, the third edition Pocket Guide.

Not only does this mean that Tamriel is full lame bullshit, the members of Loranna's RP came out of the experience with airs of their own importance and their own brand of solipsistic fanwankery. Take Allerleirauh, arguably the worst of the bunch, who could not make a single post without mentioning that she communicates the almighty developers on a regular basis. Their belief that their ideas have been granted some sort of holy demi-canon status simply because Ted Peterson played games with them, rather than based on the actual merit of their ideas, was one of the more annoying aspects to posting at TESF Lore. Luckily for us, Athesdas, an upstanding prick who played a direct role in getting me banned from that forum, emulated them with a lore-forum RP of his own, horrifying Loranna and his friends because it threatened their status as the special anointed ones, leading ultimately to the creation of a role-play specific forum. With the movement of their threads to that forum, they had no reason to continue to frequent the other threads of TESF Lore, showing how connected they actually were to the lore community outside of their insular shitfest of an RP. Now that it is long gone, the only remaining vanguard is syronj, who is an upstanding guy really, but his posts would be much more interesting if they didn't all begin "In our RP, which isn't lore, but Ted Peterson was a member, so pretend it is..."

No. We will not under any circumstance pay homage to that RP in our mod. Ted Peterson has done enough to fellate their egos.

[Haplo]

What I got out of the whole RP thing:

Haplo: Hmm
Haplo: well Obael is apparently being held prisoner so he can't really be on the council
Haplo: A lot of these characters are totally out of character
Jelle: lol
Haplo: Raithmat, Seresina, and Jazbet definitely
Haplo: that leaves Obael, Minsero, and Gaor to work with
Haplo: Obael's a pussy because he's been a captive for a long time
Lady_N: this is all around oblivion's timeline haplo, not morrowind's
Haplo: Minsero is apparently really really sick
Haplo: We'll just go with Gaor
Haplo: but that's a lame name


AKA - the name Gaor(which is a really bad name anyway, so I might scrap that.)

A lot of it seemed liked "yay lets free the slaves because we're Dres Councilors so we can do that! Next let's make them rule the Dres after we die"

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

Having had a read over the Wiki N posted, I agree with both you guys. The only thing I kinda like about the RP's plot is the 'young, reformist Dres' element, but only because I came up with something similar myself when trying to justify Oblivion's rumors re: slavery. But that wasn't particularly well recieved.

[Lud]

Look, all we have to accept is that some Imperial propaganda claimed that Helseth made a proclamation to abolish slavery. That means diddly squat.

I wouldn't go with "young reformist Dres", I'd go with incredibly smart and cynical Dres that see fit to allow Helseth to make some meaningless proclamations. It is through this faction that the player (an outlander) is allowed to take a seat on the Dres Council, etc. I'm startign to get some ideas about this, based on the player being used as a puppet in an internal Dres conflict.

1)Helseth tries to abolish slavery as a sop to the Empire
2)Dresdude1 takes offense to this and picks a figt with Helseth.
3)Helseth panics
4)Dresdude2 sees this as an opportunity, offering to support the "ban" on the condition that no Imperial troops are allowed have any role in administering it or inspecting the legal status of any "workers" on Dres farms, etc. Existing slaves will be kept, otherwise that would be stealing from honest Dres farmers, etc. To top it off, Dresdude2 himself will be in charge of "phasing out slavery", which will be done over the next few hundred years, etc. In addition, the Dres will be given extra concessions, etc.
5)Helseth accepts this and Dresdude2 manages to backstab Dresdude1, turning the Council against him and allowing a token outlander (the PC) to take this guys seat. Throughout it all, he will display his digust for the PC. So the anti-slavery thing is just a meaningless power ploy and the PC ends up on the Council, but powerless and hated by its members.

[Harke the Apostle]

I adore the idea of the PC becoming a token outlander, it seems fitting.

[Thrignar Fraxix]

I don't think the Dres would need, want, or have a token minority. If anything, the player would get the spot for completing a series of VERY hard quests only to be rewarded with a worthless spot on the council and no further chance for advancement. (And even that should be limited to dunmer in my opinion)

None of this matters though and won't be decided for a long time, so lets shut up about it. The RP shit is BS we have decided, so with that in mind lets finish the book.

[Harke the Apostle]

Having a go...

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Council Affairs of Note<BR>

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King Hlaalu Athyn Llethan, High Councilor and Lord of Morrowind, renews the contract of the Tear Factory of the East Empire Company. The merchants are overjoyed with the increase of the trade quota.  
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The application of a new herbicide in the Argon Jungle led to the accidental poisoning of scores of villagers and hundreds of slaves. The civil unrest that followed culminated in the public lynching of the alchemist, X. Following the official inquiry, The Council has decided to take no further action.
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After the wells of Corkarah Ruhn were found to be contaminated with blood rot, The Council banned all Sloads from House Dres territories. Furthermore, The Council decreed that henceforth all trade with the Sload was forbidden on pain of incarceration.
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[Jale]

I think that factory is the wrong word...they are traders, not manufacturers. Depository, Warehouse, Branch...any of these are more appropriate.

Herbicide? They were not invented in real life until WWII. Way too anachronistic. Fertiliser would be more appropriate.

I fail to see the link between Sloads and Blood Rot, and besides that it makes no sense for them to ban ALL sloads, a lucrative link for them, over a few sick civvies.

[Harke the Apostle]

Never explain, they say, but...

I think that factory is the wrong word...they are traders, not manufacturers. Depository, Warehouse, Branch...any of these are more appropriate.

Before the Industrial Revolution, the world "factory" meant tradepost. The Dutch East India Corporation had loads of them.

Herbicide? They were not invented in real life until WWII. Way too anachronistic. Fertiliser would be more appropriate.

There's the belladonna based herbicide in Bloodmoon.

I fail to see the link between Sloads and Blood Rot, and besides that it makes no sense for them to ban ALL sloads, a lucrative link for them, over a few sick civvies.

Sloads -> traders -> accused of spreading the plague -> there likely won't be any in Tear as we currently have no working models.

[Nomadic1]

The Sload one doesn't make sense IMO.

You also have to be careful about using words for their old meanings. You would be better off using a modern equivalent; branch sounds the best for the situation.