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aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:02 am

Claiming, because I almost finished this while practising with speedtree. The texture is mine too. Have a look:
[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/HKThorn.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/th_HKThorn.jpg[/img][/url]
BTW, do you think it should form into groups always or only in some places?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:07 am

I'd say it should always be in clusters. The only point of not putting them as clusters would be to help modders get more freedom in how to place them. These plants really don't look like the solitary kind.

Also, of course, it needs to curve more, to have a little branch, shorter thorns with a more pronounced angle, etc. but you know that.

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:14 am

One thing with trees in the CS is that you can't rotate them! It sucks, since there's always some stupid static interfering with a tree in a tight spot. Having them clustered would probably have the branches pointing in various directions...

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:36 am

Gez wrote:I'd say it should always be in clusters. The only point of not putting them as clusters would be to help modders get more freedom in how to place them.

K, I'm gonna make two versions. Clustered and a single one.

Gez wrote:curve more, to have a little branch

Isn't doable. Speedtree limitations. And I want to have this made with speedtree. It gives us many other advantages that are worth of it(poly use for example, billboards).

Gez wrote:shorter thorns with a more pronounced angle

I'll see what I can do.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 02, 2008 1:21 pm

Just out of curiosity Aro what version are you using? And it's looking good man

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:16 pm

aro101 wrote:
Gez wrote:I'd say it should always be in clusters. The only point of not putting them as clusters would be to help modders get more freedom in how to place them.
K, I'm gonna make two versions. Clustered and a single one.

In the IRC channel I told you that it should be more of a bush than a single plant. So clusters yes.

aro101 wrote:
Gez wrote:curve more, to have a little branch
Isn't doable. Speedtree limitations. And I want to have this made with speedtree. It gives us many other advantages that are worth of it(poly use for example, billboards).

Would it be possible to import the speedtree into Max and refine it there? Just adding a few verts to get the proper bend and curve of it???

aro101 wrote:
Gez wrote:shorter thorns with a more pronounced angle
I'll see what I can do.

Amen to than Gez.

Otherwise its looking good. Though I would like it to only have thorns on its "backside" like on the CA. Or at least not 4 thorns grouping together like that on one edge. A bit more randomness.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 02, 2008 3:34 pm

I'm using speedtree 4.0, Flesh

Update. Files are aviable to download now, do not send it to review yet.

[quote="Elfane]Would it be possible to import the speedtree into Max and refine it there? Just adding a few verts to get the proper bend and curve of it???[/quote]I don't know if that is even possible, but it would kill all the speedtree advantages anyway. This has to stay in the .spt format if you do not want to get a effect simillar to the one you get on some plantations in Morrowind Map1(IIRC).

Here's how it looks now:
[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/HKThorn02.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/th_HKThorn02.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/HKThorn03.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/th_HKThorn03.jpg[/img][/url]
I doubt it can get any closer to the concept without raising the polycount. What you think?

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:17 pm

Looking alot better, to bad that you can't edit .spt in Max, but oh well. I am satisfied with the result. But the cluster/clusters should perhaps be closer together. As if the plants are growing from one root system. But with some grass around it it will look very neat as it is. Great work, and fast.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:24 pm

w00t for v4, but if you notice in the files it is mainly a max plug-in with CAD just thrown in there. It is very possible I'm just not exactly sure how :O And it looks quite nice, the cluster is my favourite

EDIT: You see what you did there with clusters? There is a specific tool in MAX for SpeedTree called ST Forrest, it's about making those clusters and such I think, maybe worth checking out?

EDIT2: I know a way to get it closer to the concept. Do you see how there are branches on the main trunk (in the concept)? And then thorns, well why not make the 2nd layer (which you have as thorns right now I presume) those branches, then add a 3rd layer of branches, to be as thorns. As far as I know you can add a couple of layers for your needs.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:54 pm

whats the polycound atm? i think you should raise it, some parts are really angular.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 02, 2008 8:40 pm

Attack of the clones:
[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/ScreenShot107.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/th_ScreenShot107.jpg[/img][/url]

These all are the same varation(I was only testing). It turned out that speedtree clusters don't work with oblivion. It will be up to the modder and/or region generation to put some into clusters.

Flesh, for trees I'm working only with CAD. The max plugin do not work for me. I tried a lot to make them work, but they refuse

Thanks for the layers suggestion

After some basic attempts, it looks like a powerful tool

I'll try to make a use of it.

So, what ya think about the current progress? Adanorcil suggested that I should make this with typical modelling software. But since I just don't feel like doing it with typical modelling software (cause I do that all the time anyway), I would just drop the claim if the quality isn't satisfying. What you say?

P.S. Lady N, there is a polycount note on one of the previous screens.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Fri May 02, 2008 10:00 pm

Not bad. Since we can't rotate you'll need to make rotated variations (seeds).

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Fri May 02, 2008 10:08 pm

Ten models (there are nine more from the cluster that needs to be usable in game) times eight rotations (seems a reasonable minimum, every 45Ã‚Â° angle) equals 80 speed trees, though.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri May 02, 2008 11:12 pm

Meh. I leave the final word to Lady Nerevar then. There are two posibilites. I can scrap this claim or finish it up in a speedtree version. BTW, PoHa gave me some ideas and it actually might be possible to make make a cluster with speedtree.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:29 pm

Trama Roots!

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:43 pm

Claim redesigned

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:30 pm

Think i will claim this, seems like it will be fun ^_^

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:46 pm

Granted, Enjoy

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:52 pm

wait, is speedTree needed, or do i just model clusters of them, and make variations?

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:55 pm

SpeedTree isn't required, it's just preferred. If you can make a good enough model with a decent budget of polies, then it should be fine.

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:01 am

ok, cool

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:17 am

Quick question, is 4 variations enough?

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:52 am

No thorns yet, and I'm still working on the shape

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:58 am

It looks nice

, but the shape should be way more "swirly" and round looking at the concept. The tips of the plants are also a tad close to the ground, in the concept you can clearly see that they are pointed towards the sky.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:59 pm

yea, the tips should be a tad higher. placing something close to the ground like that causes a bit of a problem for exterior modders. since ground is hardly ever that flat the tips will almost always bleed. anyhow, looking good

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:24 pm

Ok, cool, I'll change this tomorrow, I was busy working on my other claim today.

-Andy

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:14 pm

Sorry, I got caught up in a 3D challenge over at simplymaya. I'll work on this today for while, and I will update later today.
-Andy

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:54 pm

OK, here is the model I will tweak to make all of the clusters and stuff. the thorns will be alpha mapped on those planes on the back of the plant, its 403 faces.
I'll update with a cluster later.

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:15 am

Geez, I have been mega-busy lately, so sorry about the no updates thing. School started up again, I got a girlfriend, and I have been working a bit on my 3D portfolio.
As soon as I can though, I will update this a little bit.

-Andy

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:57 pm

Hey Joopson, any progress here?

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:53 pm

No, sorry. I've been a bit busy lately with school and such. Feel free to revoke it if you wish, because I don't think I will make any progress on this

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:25 pm

care to upload the most recent version?

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:21 pm

Ok, here ya go!
It's in OBJ format, which I hope is O.K., if not, just tell me.
thanks,
-Andy

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:06 pm

revoked by request.