Cyrodiilic Legion Armour in Morrowind?

[milne]

In one of the topics I have read recently it mentioned that the lore-reason that the armour the Legion wore on Morrowind was quite different to the armour they wore on Cyrodiil was that they wore a different type of armour for each province.

So what I propose is that some guards around the border forts could wear the armour that the legion wears in the province across the border.

They could each be designed to work best under the conditions of that province. Black Marsh Legions could wear a light armour to get through all that swamp, Skyrim Legions could have furry armour to get through all that cold and Cyrodiilic Legions could just wear that armour they wear in Oblivion.


I have no idea how much work that would be, but if it's easy enough to do it could make for some nice integration material.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

No. I don't think that's officially 'lore', personally. I think the real reason is 'art design'.

We have far, far more important things to think about. And this could have gone in that topic.

[Gez]

I see no point in asking for modelers to do three new sets of Imperial armor that would only have an anecdotal use... The player will only see the Morrowind side of those border forts, the guys with the other uniform are on the other side which the player won't see.

[simonp92]

In my opnion i dont think that the legion wears different amour in every region.

the truth is that Beth did´t wanna make the same amour twice.. they try to make each game different from one another, and therefore; New legion amours..

or, they where tired with the morrowind ones, lets see which kind the legion in TES V will wear.

[Gez]

In my opnion i dont think that the legion wears different amour in every region.

Read The Armorers' Challenge and come back to us.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

I think that's a special case, Gez, for a special swamp expedition.

Or do you believe that the Daedroth in Oblivion decided they'd had enough of the man-croc look and went for something more dinosaurian, and the Dremora decided the old Daedric armour didn't look glowy enough? (Or even that each province has a unique looking Dremora platoon as well?)

[simonp92]

well, that dosent mean that the legion have different amours for every region..

still, an intresting book..

[Gez]

Or do you believe that the Daedroth in Oblivion decided they'd had enough of the man-croc look

No, I believe that no two of them look really alike, and the fact they do in the game is simply because the devs can't make a unique model for each one.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

I mean the change in art direction between yer Morrowind Ash Vampire based crocman and the Oblivion bipedal lizard. Not variance in Oblivion models (which you're correct there is none).

[Sload]

the real reason is 'art design'.

This is a fundamentally true statement. Gez is an imbecile if he thinks that the Oblivion developers considered "The Armorers' Challenge" when they decided to have completely new armor for the Legion. While the book provides an excuse for anally retentive lore nerds, it is not the actual reason they are different.

[Gez]

It's obvious the Oblivion developers did not consider anything other than Peter Jackson for armor design; but that's hardly an in-universe explanation. It makes sense to imbeciles like myself that the Skyrim armors would be different from the Elsweyr armors and so on. The book I cited was merely a convenient shorthand because it explains why different places need different armors.

[jonarus_drakus]

ooh, this looks like its getting a little heated

I'm gonna have to side with GEZ on this, just because the isnt any specific lore on the subject doesnt mean it isnt perfectly legitimate to asume that the legions of the various provinces would not have differing uniforms. The most obvious reason for the changes would indeed be enviromental, but simple aestetics are not beyond the capability of the various cultures either.

Wether Bethesda had this in mind when they made the change is irrelivent, its up to the comunity to make what they will of it, just like almost everything else really.

[Théodore]

Well, so if they have a specific armor for each country, I've got a question..

Why Morrowind's ones show horses?

A kind of silencious protest against the lack of horses in this country?

Don't you think it's a bit.. Umm.. Illogical?

[jonarus_drakus]

Who said anything about logic? (said while sitting on the couch while a duplicate self walks past the window in the background - blatent rip-off i know).

If i recall correctly its only Vvardenfell thats sans horsies, the do have them on the mainland (i recall from various in game texts that there were units of mounted knights and the like). Wheres a lore-master when you need one eh?...

... now where did i put that scroll of 'Summon Greater Loremaster'... they're a type of deadra tied to Hormeaus Mora if i recall corectly...

[Théodore]

That would be a bit more sensible.

But there won't be any horse in TR, no?

[jonarus_drakus]

I lack bloodmoon and as such cant make use of TR for Morrowind, so i'll let someone esle field that one.

(Im guessing no, if only because there was likely never any meshes let alone animations made, and creating that stuff from scratch would be prohibitively hard)

If its a big issue just tell yourself they all died from horse flu or something

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

It's obvious the Oblivion developers did not consider anything other than Peter Jackson for armor design; but that's hardly an in-universe explanation.

You say that as if one is required.

If every other thing that had made an appearance in Morrowind, Daggerfall, Arena etc. had kept the same appearance throughout all games, and the Legion Armour uniquely had changed, you'd then have a case, and the Armorer's Challenge to provide a ret-conny 'reason'.

But just as the Daedroth moved out of their [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_K._Rool]Kremling[/url] [url=http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Image:DaggerfallDaedroth.gif]stage[/url] without needing an explanation, so did the Imperials move out of their Roman rip-off stage just as easily.


Yes, you have a seperate case regarding the fact that logically, as 'shown' in the Armourer's Challenge, the Legion might require custom armour for special terrain missions, but this is by no means all-encompassing, nor does it in any way 'justify' (as if it needed justifying) the change between armour styles in Morrowind and Oblivion, which is solely down to art design, and nothing else.

And if you still feel like disagreeing, then, as you helpfully pointed out yourself at the start of the thread:

I see no point in asking for modelers to do three new sets of Imperial armor

[Arthmodeus]

I'm gonna have to agree with the Carnivorous Lobster. This is Bethsoft. They change shit from game to game to keep things fresh. It's both fun for the modelers and fun for the mainstream audience. As graphics improve, so do the things you are able to pull off. So I'm really not surprised that daedroths and armor look different in OB than they do in MW.

And as for the horses:

"For two reasons. First, Dark Elves like them as a foodstuff. Second, native grasses of Morrowind give horses a bad, and often terminal, case of tummy ache.

Source: Ken Rolston in one of his pre-Morrowind online interviews. Reproduced from memory. If anyone has the original text, please let site staff know."
-From the Dog Ate My Homework section of TIL

[Théodore]

So there isn't any horse in Morrowind?

Alright, I was right; if Morrowind's legion armour is truly specific to Morrowind, it's quite illogical - or it is a true kind of protest ? -.

[Lady Nerevar]

they probably just didnt think about it. its a roman design, so they probably went for a roman texture, ignoring the lack of horses. i doubt theres really anything to think into there.

[Haplo]

That would be a bit more sensible.

But there won't be any horse in TR, no?

Morrowind does not have horses because the Dunmer eat them all.

You can read all about it here:
http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/?p=faq&section=164903

Of course, you should have already read the entire FAQ section.

[Théodore]

Yeah, I had no doubt that there wouldn't be any horse;
I just wanted to point out an element showing that legion armours were probably not specific to the country they are in.

[Gez]

Since apparently I'm not the only imbecile out there:
1. There are out of games reasons why things are different.
2. There are also in-game reasons why things are different.
3. We're not doing other provinces for Morrowind so it's moot.

I hope this position is simple enough for all the imbeciles to understand.

[jonarus_drakus]

Since apparently I'm not the only imbecile out there:
1. There are out of games reasons why things are different.
2. There are also in-game reasons why things are different.
3. We're not doing other provinces for Morrowind so it's moot.

I hope this position is simple enough for all the imbeciles to understand.

ZING!!

SHUT DOWN!

Why would you do all this extra work when it has no place in any TR mods anyway...

Of course, now i have to find some other argument to butt-into...

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

You say that as if this entire thread hadn't already reached its conclusion in my first post.

Now please, please, please, could this thing die already?
Yeah yeah yeah I'm ironically keeping it alive longer by posting hahahaaha. But please. Seriously.

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