i3-795-Ind

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:07 pm

Claim type: Interior
Claim ID: TR_i3-795-Ind (#2777)
Faction: Indoril
Parent claim: TR_3-40-Ind (#983)
Claimed by: Parted User
Status: Not Available (Progress: 100%)
Location: 1:(887, -3636):0
Files: TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_1.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_2.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_3.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_4.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_5.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_Theminimanx_6.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_sirrah_1.esp; TR_i3-795-Ind_sirrah_2.esp

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Almas Thirr, Canalworks - Second-to-lowest level of the canton. Opens up to the town outside. Used as a gathering spot by the poor Velothi Dunmer townsfolk. Should follow the below map while loosely matching what Vivec's Canalworks look like.

http://i.imgur.com/SUzJIq1.png

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:46 pm

Claiming. Playing around with the canalworks sounds like fun. Not sure yet what I'll do with the Public Gathering Space. Maybe place a fountain if I can find one with the right textures. I'll figure something out.

Post by **Gnomey** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:42 pm

Granting. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:42 pm

Quick status update: the map for the canalworks can't be made using the in_velothilarge tileset. It's missing a few pieces I'd need, such as doorjambs and in_v_l_wall_collumn. Because of that, I'm going to have to take a few liberties with that map.
I'll mess around with the available pieces a bit before I post my own proposal for a map. If any doors/stairs etc. absolutely need to be in a certain place, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:19 pm

So it turns out that not only is the tileset incomplete, some of the pieces flat out don't work. Unless some modeler and/or collision mesh creator is willing to do the work for me, I'm going to teach myself how to do it. Expect some delays because of that.

Post by **Seneca37** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:38 pm

Please let me know what the problems are.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:50 pm

I'd need [url=http://i.imgur.com/SLLRv92.png?2]in_v_l_wall_collumn[/url] pieces to create the map Yeti made, and the [url=http://i.imgur.com/Fv4vWXh.png?1]hitbox of in_velothismall_ramplong_01 doesn't match the mesh[/url].

Post by **Seneca37** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:41 pm

A quick fix would be to stick in a column (in_v_l_int_column_01). However, it will have overlapping issues (aka flickering) with the already existent column pieces. To fix that, scale the column by 1% (1.01) then adjust the best you can.

As for the in_velothismall_ramplong_01, we have a fix for that. Use TR_in_velothismall_ramplong_01.

Post by **Seneca37** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:03 pm

I made the two pieces you need.
Include the .esp when you are working on your interior, and copy the .nif to the Data Files/Meshes/tr/i directory.

I'll include this stuff in next update of the data files.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:50 am

Thanks a lot for the new pieces. Unfortunately, the TR_in_velothismall_ramplong_01 collision mesh is also broken, it's just broken in a different way.

Post by **Seneca37** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:00 pm

There was something funky with the new ramp.
Copy the attached file to your Data File/Meshes/TR/i directory and it should be fixed.

I'll update TR_Data with this new file.

Post by **Gnomey** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:26 am

I took a look at the layout of this interior in comparison with my layout plugin [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24288]here[/url] and Yeti's layout image and have attached a plugin with some alternate layout ideas for this interior. (Two sets of ideas, specifically; the one set I applied directly to your interior shell, and the other floats directly above the shell). I'd just apply whatever changes you like, ideally giving Yeti time to look at the layout you went with before proceeding. (Or of course Yeti could tell you which layout he prefers).

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:22 pm

I'll check this out later when I get home from work.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:22 pm

I'll check this out later when I get home from work.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:00 pm

I've uploaded a new version with my preferred layout. The stairs are kind of a problem though. If at all possible, I'd like the stairs from the waistworks and the stairs to the docks to be a straight line, allowing people working at the docks to completely ignore the existance of the canalworks and its poverty. As they are now however, the stairs make the canalworks level slightly bigger than the canton. I personally don't think this is too much of a problem, but I figured I'd mention it.

I can also make a modification to the in_velothilarge hallway to make it fit, but that causes the stairs to clip with the entrance to the temple. Though that could be solved by building those stairs in Yeti's waistworks claim. I've included a different file in this post that has the modified layout and the clipping that results.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:03 am

Sorry for the late reply. Overall, the layout looks great -- I'm glad you were able to make sense out of my clumsy map.

To fix the clipping, I would simply pull the stairs back further towards the east. It being slightly larger than the exterior canton doesn't matter much, especially when you take into account what Bethesda got away with in Morrowind. The Skar in Ald'ruhn is a bit of TARDIS, but the discrepancy between the massive size of its interior halls and what could logically fit within the crab shell outside isn't bad enough to break immersion.

I'd rather keep the link between the docks and the Canalworks to maintain ease of access. Connecting to the poor part of town shouldn't pose much of an aesthetic issue. It's not really supposed to be a full-blown slum or anything of the kind, just a grungier part of the canton where the townspeople and the Temple interact.

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:51 pm

Any progress to report, Theminimanx?

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:15 pm

Not really, I kinda abandoned it a while back. I should get back to working on it soon. Though if someone else wants it that's fine by me.

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:09 pm

You still interested in this claim?

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:09 pm

Since I haven't updated this file in months now, I should probably just officially un-claim it.

sirrah · Post by **sirrah** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:12 pm

Claiming. I might shift the layout a little (I really like the scarab-like shape in Gnomey's suggestion), I'll try to post an update within the week.

Theminimanx · Post by **Theminimanx** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:52 am

Granting. Have fun cleaning up my mess XD

sirrah · Post by **sirrah** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:39 am

Just a quick update of my changes to the layout, hopefully the rails break up the space a bit without looking too outlandish; they can be easily removed otherwise. I've messed around with the staircases; I wanted to keep the feel of the canalworks-waistworks stairwells in Vivec (though slightly expanded).

I've mimicked the in_v_s_int_lcolumn_02 wooden braces from Adamantum's [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24974]temple claim[/url] (I've also used them in my [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=12352]public tomb claim[/url]), I hope this isn't overusing the element, but I feel like it ties the canalworks claims together a bit.

sirrah · Post by **sirrah** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:08 pm

Ok, I think this is finished.

in_v_l_int_center_01 doesn't match up correctly with the other pieces in the set, so I've made a modified version.

RyanS · Post by **RyanS** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:40 am

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