Claim 4-8, Kragenmoor - Completed (C)

Seran · Post by **Seran** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:24 am

Cells (-29,-16) -- (-31,-13) map 4

It's an Imperial town right, so i guess that was it's going to be.

Geowulf · Post by **Geowulf** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:32 am

Don't we have enough imperial towns yet?

Rodan · Post by **Rodan** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:59 pm

It's actually the Redoran capital. Prometheus also asked me for the cells as well. So Kragenmoor must have Redoran arcitecture.

Rodan · Post by **Rodan** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:04 pm

Seran, expect a PM from Vagara concerning Kragenmoor. He wants to put a team together for the city. (easier for a team rather than selecting one modder over the others for the claim).

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:15 pm

Rather than doing a bunch of PMs...

Seran and Prometheus:

Shall we create a team to do Kragenmoor?

Since Kragenmoor is the Redoran capital, was part of the Arena game, and has a lot of history and lore attached to it, I think putting together a team of modders would be the best approach for this large city.

I would suggest we do the following:

1. Receive granted claim for area.
2. Identify team members.
3. Research history and lore about Kragenmoor, inclulding names, descriptions and events.
4. Design (on paper) a layout of this Redoran city and surrounds.
5. Create a list of important buildings and structures needed in the city to be consistent with the history and lore. Often having an idea of the story behind the place helps...
6. Once the team is in agreement, we assign out tasks (landraising, texturing and coloring; placing buildings and structures; terrain items; etc.)
7. Continue improving it until its ready for review.

We may also need some special help with architecture since existing Redoran buildings are mostly small and I doubt there's a Skar there...

Share your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you all.

Ben

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:31 pm

for me it s ok i just would like to specialize in the building shaping for the project

Arcadea · Post by **Arcadea** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:48 pm

Rodan sugested I help. I only do interiors though so I won't be needed for awile but I do have Ideas for things that could be in the city but I've got some reasherch to do first and I library to finish in the blach light. Give me a buzz when you start I may be able to help then.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:56 pm

rodan still didn't give us the project but we should be 4 with u

prometheus

vagara

seran

and u

we should divide works

and get in contact in order to organize each other

Arcadea · Post by **Arcadea** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:59 pm

Of course. I only can dot interiors though. I'm good at finding information and idea and I'm a writer wich can come in handy.

Class Creator · Post by **Class Creator** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 9:03 pm

Care if I throw my back into this?

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 9:10 pm

i think we could claim this area what u think ??

Class Creator · Post by **Class Creator** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 9:21 pm

That area looks good to me. I claimed a cell about five cells above it. So When I finish that/my abilities (land texturing and structure/misc placement) are needed, I will gladly help.

Nazz · Post by **Nazz** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:03 pm

Can you guys hold of on really deciding anything about this town for a little while. The holdings of the Great Houses is really screwed up on this side of the province and I need to talk to the other admins about it. So please don't decide anything for a while.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:35 pm

ok we'll just create the team and operative works each one is going to have...

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:56 pm

ok what about this claim rodan? are we having it , i didn't had any nmore news from vagara and seran

Rodan · Post by **Rodan** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:58 pm

Has Seran responded yet?

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:15 pm

no he didn't but in case i could claim and then put in all people who wants to help

fhe claim should be

only the city of kragenmoore

if i'm alone

or bigger if i'm with more people like the map included previously , so let me know what u decide...

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:06 am

Prometheus: I'll PM Seran. And I've PMed you my ICQ ID for chatting.

Class Creator: We would love to have you join us.

Arcadea: Welcome. We would really appreciate your ideas now and interiors later...

Nazz: I've only found a little bit on Kragenmoor. Two things I've found so far show that 1) it has the toughest team of warriors (undefeated Warhammers) in its Arena, and 2) it was one of two strongholds that the Imperials were prepared with their armies to attack when the peace treaty occured between Septim and Vivec... So this would imply a strong warrior culture -- Redoran.

Rodan: How should be claim this (after I get with Seran)? As one person or as a team name (Warhammers)?

Ben

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:46 am

about kragenmoore i tought it was a imperial city , rodan corrected this but i also seen in the cultural influence map of cleverclothe's site that is in redoran territory , i don't know indeed from wich official source is this information from...

Rodan · Post by **Rodan** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 7:59 pm

Vagara, give the exact cells you want (don't know if it will be the same at the first post). I'll grant it (claim 4-8).

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:29 pm

i think we could begin with those cells in y x order from

-29 -16 to -29 -12

anf from

-31 - 16 to -31 -12

Seran · Post by **Seran** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:41 pm

I got to say I'm very little entusiastic about this groupe thing. But I'm no fool, So I see that doing this alone is not going to happend.

Also, I have some ideas about this city. First of all I whould like to move it one cell north/west to hug the river contures more. So you whould get that golden horn shape to it. I can't see that as a problem, and it whould make the city more in "tune" whit a normal city. Also you could have larger artistic freedom making it.

And Nazz, what was that about the counsil you needed to deside?

When it comes to the lore, I think we need to read up on it. But more importantly, If I am to partisipate in makeing this city, I whoundt sacrifise makeing a good city over lore. Not to the point of anything inconsistent though.

To vagara, prometheus, Arcadea.. I'm on #tamriel and #Muthsera. Any comunication done by pm/board are tedius. So I whould probobly awnser in other ways than that. If you need to talk to me, use the irc channels.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:58 pm

ok seran i've only messenger at tonelstef@msn.com , if u have other ways i can use to communicate tell me and i'll try to use ,

sorry i don't know what's an irc and what is #tamriel or #mutsera?

how i can use that?

Seran · Post by **Seran** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:03 pm

You need to get online on messenger...
I use msn messenger, but it shouldnt be a differense..

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:19 pm

Rodan, Original Claim Request was slightly smaller.

Claim Request is Map 4 cells (-31,-12) thru (-28,-16) which is 4 cells high by 5 cells wide.

Thanks Rodan.

Seran,

I'll try to get set up on IRC. Also, I fully agree with your relocating the main city northwest. Given the mountains and curve of the river, I think that is a more strategic and better location.

All: What are your thoughts about having two parts to the city: old Kragenmoor and a newer Kragenmoor surrounding the old section of town?

Once this claim is granted, I'll get a new thread set up for us.

Ben

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:24 pm

vagara i think we should claim this

-28 -16 to -28 -12

anf from

-31 - 16 to -31 -12

i'm now on messenger tonelstef@msn.com

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:51 pm

Rodan,

After looking at the map, I think it would be easiest if the Kragenmoor team claimed the following (using x,y format):

-19,-27 upper left corner to -12,-31 lower right corner

This will include Kragenmoor, the roads, river, mountains and a little bit of valley. We will construct the exteriors for Kragenmoor (old and new) and some caverns, mines, and perhaps a farm or two.

The Kragenmoor Team

EDIT BEN: attached map

Nazz · Post by **Nazz** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:01 pm

What would be the diference between old and new Kragenmoor?

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:23 pm

Team:

Here's is what I've found on Kragenmoor:

==> Kragenmoor had a strong Arena team... from Arena game notes:
"Kragenmoor holds the western border of Morrowind. Its team, the Warhammers, have enjoyed a unique reputation. Up till now they are the only ones to have successfully killed every opponent who has ever challenged them... "

==> Yoriss was the queen of Kragenmoor in the earliest years... from a Daggerfall book:
King Edward, Part X
"Moraelyn's father, Kronin, and his brothers, Cruethys and Ephen, took to raiding after the Nords drove them out of Ebonheart. Guerilla warfare isn't pretty, but neither is losing your homeland. Human memories of that time are faded hand-me-downs, but there's a fair number of dark elves who lived through it still around. Moraelyn's aunt Yoriss for one, she who rules in Kragenmoor. Oh, there's some dark elves still, along the borderland in Blacklight, who are just thieves and kidnappers, no question. They have holds up in the mountain caverns and raid farms and villages in east Skyrim. But Moraelyn's folk have naught to do with them, leastways not since they regained their own lands in Morrowind. Moraelyn hates the raiding. He'd stop it if he could." Mats sighed.

So from this I understand that Kragenmoor has/had an Arena and that anciently it was governed by a Dunmer Queen Yoriss. What I don't know yet is which House Yoriss and Moraelyn are from.

And from the history of the empire we learn that Kragenmoor was one of the two places that Septim was poised to attack with his armies when peace occured and Morrowind became a province.

Ben

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:30 pm

Nazz,

From what I'm learning about Kragenmoor, it appears to have been one of the very oldest Dunmer cities.

So I am thinking that there would be a section of the town that is very old and exclusively Dunmer. Surrounding the old Dunmer section, there would be a newer section that might include Dunmer and common/imperial style architecture.

What are your thoughts?

Ben

Rodan · Post by **Rodan** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:49 pm

(-19, -27) - (-12, -31) will be acceptable. Claim 4-8 approved (but it may be a few days for a new map until my main computer is back up).

Nazz · Post by **Nazz** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:59 pm

One thing to be careful about is that the Go Blades document is from the original designs of Arena and doesn't reflect what actually went in the game nor does it acurately describe the towns in the document.

One thing is I don't like the idea of the Imperial section of the city. There is WAAAAAY to much Imperial pressence in Morrowind already and especially on that side of the province so I think it needs to be completely Redoran.

prometheus · Post by **prometheus** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:44 am

they city for the architecture we are planning should be made of redoran style and velothian stile no imperial influences , i made a pre building for example in the topic pf the city , i'm also planning an arena and a piramidal conic high tower , wellsee if it will work...

Vagara · Post by **Vagara** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:58 am

From now on let's use the project thread at:

[url]http://tamriel.silgrad.com/thread.php?threadid=432&boardid=106[/url]

I agree that the city is not Imperial. It will be Redoran. What I meant was that there would be post-peace treaty construction that could be in a non-Redoran, common (ie ex_common_...) exterior building style.

There will be a Redoran "fortress" area, probably an old palace, an arena, a plaza? and many other Redoran buildings. There will not be an Imperial fort, keep, or legion in Kragenmoor.

However, we may want to consider a small Imperial keep in the area. What does everyone think? Could the empire get away with building a fort (since they did near Balmora, new Ebonheart, Ald'ruhn, etc.)

Ben

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