Diamond Armor?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:37 am

Would diamond armor be a good idea? There could be a single smith that can forge it for you. Of course it would be very strong and durable.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:42 am

no, it would shatter! also, it would be impossible to put it into any type of armor, unless it were ceremonial or for decorations.

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:46 am

hap

You are being sarcastic, right? Diamond is the hardest substance in the ENTIRE WORLD! It would be hard to make into armor, but then again, only one person could forge it. Maybe he would be like a magicka wielding armorer or something...

Sniper4 · Post by **Sniper4** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:49 am

I think this was decided against months ago. Not by the core, but by the community as a whole. (or at least the people who participated in the thread

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Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:09 am

NO I'm serious. Too get it soft enough to work with, you'd obviously harden it again. But after it's hardened a second time, It is nowhere NEAR as strong as it was, which means it's a bit stronger than silver. But its crystallized, so it'd shatter a lot easier. It may be strong, but its too brittle. Besides, Diamonds a see through, and they're heavy. Would you want heavy, brittle, see-through armor going into battle with you?

anyway...it's already been decided.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:25 am

What about maby diamond studded lether?

Veet · Post by **Veet** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:37 am

Diamonds no where near as heavy or weak as gold...

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:39 am

I think it's alright, look at raw glass in game. Does that seem suitable for armor and weapons? I think Diamond items would be very similar to the way glass is designed, not entirely of the material.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:51 am

First of all dimond is hard but you can easily crush diamond with trama, it is britle.There-for a blow with a hammer could crush it.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:00 am

If a full suit were to made, the maker would have to have great skill and it would be made using great magics.

Sniper4 · Post by **Sniper4** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:05 am

Or it could be added to melted silver. With that you'd sorta get a peanut brittle like thing, only with diamonds and silver instead of nuts and what I'm assuming is hardened peanut butter. Plus, with that, the uber large cost would be eliminated. It would be more expensive than glass, but maybe less expensive than ebony.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:28 am

You don't have to pay attention to reality in Morrowind! Ebony in real life is wood!

wishmaster · Post by **wishmaster** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:14 am

why don't make crystal armor? the raw crystal could be taken from the telvanni crystals or something.
I don't either think diamond armor could be a sucsess, because it is impossible to find in large pieces, and the diamond can't be melted, because then you can't see trough it because of the melting.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:19 am

You can't melt Stalhrim Ice yet you can make armor out of it.

Garinator · Post by **Garinator** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:48 pm

yeah but thats cos the devs can do whatever they want in their own universe

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:48 pm

Then why not apply that to TR? If they can have armor made out of ice, why can't we have armor made out of diamond? And besides, maybe diamond is very common in Tamriel. After all, who says Tamriel has to be just like the real world?

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:12 pm

well, if diamond is so common why the hell is it 200 dollars for a piece the size of a game boy cartridge?
It is impossible to smelt crystals.
Diamond armour is a really stupid (as in impossible) idea that has been discussed to death many times in the past.
However, altmer might decorate their armour with diamonds.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:22 pm

The only possibility I see from this is either armor that has diamonds as decoration, to make it look nice, or possibly something that has it studded onto it, like leather. We should avoid making it like glass armor, that is of Dunmer design, although I do believe it has some Altmeri aspects in it as well, but if we make new armors they should be western styled, so leathers for light armor mostly. Also, Glass armor, beside a few exceptions like some really really special or legendary armor, should remain the best Light Armor in the game, it is the Dunmer's best so far, and they are considered masters of Light Armor design.

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:22 pm

Notice that I used the word "maybe" in my post. I was just speculating, not saying it was a fact. Maybe diamond is really expensive in Vvardenfell because of rarity in the region.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:37 pm

Diamond is fairly rare, it might be more common then in RL, but there is still the fact that diamond is extremely hard to cut, and you have to consider how are you going to attach them. depending on how many you add they can actually get quite heavy, so something like leather studded with diamonds would go from being normally light armor to say medium or even heavy armor. It is much more likely they would be for decor and only owned by the rich, who can afford the cost over effectiveness.

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:46 pm

That does make sense. The only really effective way to cut diamond is to crush it into powder and use the powder to dust the rotating blades that are then used to cut and shape the diamond (Isn't it great what you can learn on the Discovery channel?).

Off Topic, but still pertinent. While we're talking about diamond, what about the possibility of diamond-edged weapons? They would most definetly be superior to normal weapons due to the fact that sharpened diamond is able to cut through steel (also from Discovery).

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:02 pm

When you think about it 200 dollars for a gameboy cartridge diamond is really cheap!

I would like to see leather studded. And, arrange them very allabratly.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:17 pm

I wish I could buy a hunk of diamond the size of my fist for 200 bucks.
I think that diamond-studded items are an extremely cool idea. I can easily see Imperial nobles having ornate ceremonial swords encrusted with diamonds and other gems.
I do not like the idea of having diamond armor similar to the way glass was done (big hunks of ore sticking out of the plates), but then again, I do not like glass armor in the first place. I think the armor would be much better looking if it just had the plates without the ore chunks. But that is just personal preference.
Odds are, if you like glass armor, diamond armor would suit you too. I think it should be at least medium, if not heavy.

Post by **Kevaar** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:35 pm

Diamonds are cut by breaking them at their faults. Thats the ONLY way you can cut or sculpt them, as they ARE the hardest thing in the world. If you look at them really closely (not sure if you can do this with your bare eye), they sort of have lines/cracks on them kinda like like wood does. But not all of them are big enough to break the diamond properly or some such... I'm not an expert on it

Other than that a diamond suit of armor would be horribly expensive, even more expensive than three sets of ebony, glass, and adamantiuum armor put together with matching sets of daedric weapons.

Well...maybe not quite that expensive. BUt the average diamond that sells at 250 is the size of your eye. Times that by however many it takes to cover your body...whew. And then there's always expenses to pay the guy for making you the da**ed suit...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:55 pm

We have abandoned the idea of full Diamond suit I assume?

If we made diamond encrusted weapons, would they have high or low enchant space? I think diamond stidded leather would be a very good idea. But, which race would probably make it? I strongly doubt that the dunmer would. Altmer seem to be the first to pop in my head.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:44 pm

well, argonians actually. there is supposed to be a tribe that uses the massive amounts of diamonds and silver in central argonia to make their armour and weapons. perhaps diamond-encrusted silver armour? that would be pretty neat.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:50 pm

Sounds cool, yet expensive. Probably worth every penny!

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:46 am

Interesting Fact: In my science textbook it says that under certain conditions (sub-zero temps) graphite actually becomes harder than diamond. Thought that was pretty cool.

On Topic: Maybe the diamond-encrusted silver armor could be a kind of Argonian ceremonial armor. Silver isn't quite that tough, but hey, still would look awesome to see legions of Argonians marching through the Black Marsh decked out in it.

G.M.K. · Post by **G.M.K.** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:15 am

I like the idea, but I think that it should be a unique armour set with each of the peices extremly hard to get and in very different places(maybe even spread around tamriel).

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:22 am

Interesting Fact: In my science textbook it says that under certain conditions (sub-zero temps) graphite actually becomes harder than diamond. Thought that was pretty cool.

Actually, this is true of any material. As temperature falls, the bonds between molecules become stronger as the particles move slower and slower. Inversely, as temperature increases, every material will become softer.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:33 am

G.M.K. wrote:I like the idea, but I think that it should be a unique armour set with each of the peices extremly hard to get and in very different places(maybe even spread around tamriel).

Across Tameriel? No no no no, I have to say Tameriel will probably never be finished! Why not just the east?

G.M.K. · Post by **G.M.K.** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:25 am

Ok maybe not tamriel but atleast the east like one piece in morrowind, one piece in skyrim, two in cyrodiil, three in argonia and one in elswer.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:37 pm

elsweyr is very far off. after black marsh, we are doing high rock, then hammerfell, then elsweyr, then valenwood, and finally summerset.

Xen · Post by **Xen** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:33 pm

Well, if they can't be spread all across Tamriel, then they should be under some kind of heavy guard. Maybe in a dragon nest or uber-dungeon of some kind. And that's for each piece. If it is included, getting a complete set should be like completing a major part of the world of Tamriel. Maybe there should be more than one set though. Maybe a powerful warrior will be wearing a set in his own private dungeon filled with traps, summoned monsters, and rabid followers. Just a thought.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:19 pm

If we are to do Diamond Studded Leather then I believe that it should be an extremely expensive one-of-a-kind artifact.

G.M.K. · Post by **G.M.K.** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:31 am

Having it gaurded by a dragon or dragons is a good idea as 1. dragons are rare making the armour rare 2. dragons are very very strong making the armour hard to get.

I think the enchant value on it should be insane if it's so rare and made of diamonds.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:19 am

dragons are EXTREMELY rare. as in you can count how many there are in all of nirn on your hand.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:32 am

There are probably more than that. They simply take great care not to be seen.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:38 am

Yea, I'm pretty sure that there is more than that. Not many more but enough more.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:19 am

Ok forget reality and all that how about this, the dragans are the only ones who can forge diamonds but studded armour would not need to be forged. Diamonds could be melted by the dragons and forged into silver plates for armour or rich families could own the studded kind which is cheaper but still expensive I say 2 diamond plate armour pieces guarded by dargons atop snowy mountains and 7 studded diamond pieces owned by rich nobles, which brings about the best thieves guild quest ever, but that less important, remeber It not that much more absurd than glass so why not?