Double-Bladed Swords

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:58 pm

Now, don't get me wrong. I've been in TR for long enough to not be posting noobish suggestions/questions, but let's think about it.

Those double-bladed swords that've been popping up in a lot of recent movies/games (like LotR, KotOR, and those Spell Breakers in Warcraft III) have a distinct aura of coolness about them. And, if we think about it, it's not like they're inconvenient in combat. They're practically quarterstalves with bladed sides. I can definitely see them being an Altmeri weapon (what with them favoring dai-katanas and all that). Now, I'd imagine that if they were popular amongst the Altmer, I'd imagine there'd be at least a few in Morrowind. I've heard that the Mad Lord of Darconis was recently changed to an Altmer... perhaps he might have one of these?

This is just a suggestion, and if it's ruled out to be too un-TES that's fine.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:10 pm

I am not sure, it depends on how much work it would be to make it. If there was no work needed except maybe a new animation and it be a longsword or whatever, then I guess it would be fine but if it requires alot of scripting and something weird then I would say bolt-on.

BTW, not that your wrong, but where are they in LotR?

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:00 pm

I believe there was one in...uh...um...oh yeah, one of the orcs had a scimitar with a dagger on the reverse end...not really a double-bladed sword...but...as close as you get with tolkien...he wasn't too fond of that kind of weapon.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:07 pm

I've re-checked my data, and my reference to LotR was incorrect. However, my above suggestion still stands, as this is TR, and not ME.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:38 pm

double bladed swords sounds like a good idea. what about a double heart blade. im working on the picture right know.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:00 am

here it is

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:01 am

sorry is not coming up it has a problem. did it come up. tell me if it is good. it on paint.

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:16 am

I see nutin! LOL, what do you mean by a 'double-heart' blade?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:20 am

it a double blade daedric dai-katana that drains heath 10 to 100 points and disagrates armor 10 to 100 points it is casts when strikes.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:22 am

isent that a litle uber?

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:24 am

If it is constant effect it would kill the player and destroy his armor.

-Starcrunch

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:04 pm

should be cast-on-strike or whatever the technical term for that is, and really, hardly anyone can even hold a no-dachi (I refuse to call them dai-katanas - it's a linguistic abomination!) let alone a double-bladed one, the blade of one is around 4, maybe 5 foot long, so two of them, plus the staff centre section would be unfeasibly large for most characters, god-damn I hate Episode I for making this stuff popular.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:06 pm

I hate Episode 1, but for other reasons.

But let's think about this. The Altmer are a very dedicated, very advanced, intelligent people. I can see the Altmer using this sort of thing. It seems to me that a lot of what makes TES so special is how it completely differs from our medieval world, yet still makes sense (for the most part.) I think that such a weapon fits in with this.

I fully agree that it shouldn't be a double-bladed no-dachi. I remember when I first equipped one of those things in MW I literally gasped at how freaking long it was. What I'm suggesting is maybe a 2-and-a half foot long blade on both sides.

If this is decided to be too fancrowd-ish that's fine, I just think the idea has merit.

And Hasphat... *PLEASE* use the edit option.

shandrazi · Post by **shandrazi** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:42 pm

Garriath wrote:And, if we think about it, it's not like they're inconvenient in combat. They're practically quarterstalves with bladed sides.

Its more practical to have a longer handle with shorter implements on the end. A double bladed sword is much less manueverable than say some of the Chinese double ended polearms. It also decreases the threat range of the sword because of the limitation of body collision and the lack of being able to make up for it by sliding along one or the other sides. That doesn't mean it isn't uber cool points.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:00 pm

Very true, Shandrazi. Perhaps in the end it will be just a choice of what looks better. I mean, let's take daedric weapons... all of those random horns and spikes merely make the weapon more unwieldy, yet they're the best weapons in the game. And then we look at the daedric crescent... Must I say more?

Perhaps if we had some core member comment on this it'd be nice...

Marauth AlaÃƒÂ-RaÃƒÂ¡n · Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:19 am

Slightly OT here but what about Naginatas? I mean the Cyrodils imported Akaviri (i.e. japanese) weapons during the Potentate Versidue-Shaie's reign (even dragonscale armour comes from them) so it's not unreasonable that they had Naginatas aswell - for those who don't know it's a polearm, blunt on one end with a large, slightly curved single-edged blade on the other, can be used like a spear to impale from horseback or more like the chinese bladed polearms. Don't quote me on the specifics as I'm no expert in japanese weapons. You probably saw a few in 'The Last Samurai'

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:02 am

I would really like to see a flail or a "goddendag" short blade katanas would be nice

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:04 am

Short Blade Katana= Wakazashi.

And a flail is as possible as a whip in TESCS.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:27 am

thanks I was wondering what that was called

also just an ordainary whip would also be quite good

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:35 am

Slightly OT here but what about Naginatas?

I already made that

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:30 pm

so...i take it none of u use asassins armory...that plugin is great as it adds all kinds of weapons including a double katana. which is just what uve been talking about. so, u might want to download that mod and see if u like the weps, and it might give u some other ideas...

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:37 pm

I think Stumpy said it best. Why make double-bladed weapons if we can't use double-bladed weapons. Double-bladed swords would be extremely hard to use in real life. Although you may think it is like a quarterstaff, it isn't. With a quarterstaff, you change the position of your hands frequently when fighting. If you change the position of your hands with a double-bladed sword, you are going to lose some fingers.
Personally, I think that a double-headed axe would be the pinnacle of awesomeness, but it isn't practical.

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:11 am

I was referring to the quarterstaff metaphor in that it would use the same base animations, not that real-life fighting would be that simple.

Meh.

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 5:03 am

Devon8999 · Post by **Devon8999** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:13 am

you could use it like a one or two handed bo or jo staff like I do in karate, the hand placing never moves unless you are twirling it above your head, doing a halo pass or doing figure eights.

also why in the hell is stumpy always saying

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Sadi · Post by **Sadi** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:49 am

Devon8999 wrote:also why in the hell is stumpy always saying
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seconed.
Also isn't there a two bladed sword you can get in tel fyr?
Cant you use its animation?

Devon8999 · Post by **Devon8999** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:38 am

the daedric crescant is the double bladed sword from tel fyr its blades are curved so it looks like a sliver of a moon.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:02 am

I think that it would be great for there to be double-bladed swords because dont get me wrong but I played a lot od KOTAR and games like Jedi knight academy and they all have either double-bladed swords or double-bladed light sabers so yeah I think it would be reall great.

Devon8999 · Post by **Devon8999** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:12 am

There already is one double bladed sword Dadric crescant why no more?

Sadi · Post by **Sadi** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:25 pm

the daedric one points outwards, so you'll only have to swing it at your opponent. With a non-outpointing double blade, you'll have to use it in a special way, and that requires new animations-

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:02 pm

The current longblade animations, yes. Quarterstaff animations, though?

Tylium · Post by **Tylium** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:29 pm

well the thing is with double bladed weapons that you have A. it always in both hands or b. when resting in hand and when fighting with 2

the most commonly used tactic with a bouble bladed weapon is to spin it above your head to keep the enemy away and then let it slash down in a diagonal strike with 1 hand

the only possebility i see is to use it as a spear like weapon

or you can alter the animation for the spear so these two will be almost identical

(when spinning above your head you have to make sure your not 3 heads bigger than your opponent)

Th3anglehasland3d · Post by **Th3anglehasland3d** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:43 pm

alright people, i dont mean to be raining on your picnic, but i never read anything about double-bladed swords in the books of morrowind, i mean its tempting to make one but still i thought the rule was not to change the actual original morrowind, which is why its taking the whole project so long

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:23 pm

By adding weapons, we are not changing Vvardenfell in any way. We are just adding weapons.

Th3anglehasland3d · Post by **Th3anglehasland3d** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:22 am

oh alrighty you guys mean by like changing and adding RACES AND NEW LANDS alright

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