Dragonfly gone...New Music Moderator?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:41 am

Guys....we need to face the fact that our most beloved, Dragonfly has left us with no trace to find him. We need to take action and get the music going strong again......Any suggestions?? I say we need to assign a new Music Moderator because we have none!

Input on this tender matter please!

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:16 am

I think music is not a "crucial" or rather critical path, since it can be added at any point. Also Dragonfly is the only I have found that has put up professional level music..... sooooo I dont think we should do that IMHO

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:51 am

Telsar was good, but he cant exactly brag about not vanishing into thin air either.

Telsar · Post by **Telsar** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:15 am

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:17 am

But who else would work on music right now?

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:28 am

music really is more like a, submit, and see what happens kinda thing. Theres no way to tell a person how it should sound, short of writing out the melody line, or calling them and humming it.

Sound is a different issue, greybeard really is the person doin most of the sound work, with the soundgen creature work for CoT. So if anyone were to possibly take over it, I would think Grey would be best at that. Although I would hate to lose his ability to mod and do CoT work due to administrative muddles.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:01 pm

Music is different to a lot of people.....Music isnt as important as working on TR, making the game etc. But I think music changes a game from good to great.....thats why when you read a review of a game, they always have a section on the sound......of course some of you guys probably don't agree with me. But, I know people that agree with me too.....I play Final Fantasy and one of the reasons I play it, is because of the wonderful music.
I agree music isnt as important as other things in TR, but it is vital and we should not have the attitude of well, we can always add it later. I think it would be fine not to have a moderator and have the sound dept. be an open place where people submit there music, people give feedback, and ultimatly decide which ones should be used in TR......Thats just what I think guys.

I'm Out....

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:22 pm

no no, I didnt mean Music isnt important

I said it isnt a critical path. Music can be added whenever, because it isnt a placed thing, as long as its in the music folder, it will play. Therefore we don't really put as much of a rush on it as other portions of the project, in no way does it make it less important though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:33 pm

Yes I agree with you Majra. I'm not trying to stand you up or anything. Composers have been waiting for the mighty "Dragonfly" who has vanished without notice, to come back because he told them to wait for him.....But he's gone and we need to start working on music now...The more music the more choices and better options right?? And again...sorry Majra, I wasnt trying to insult you. Music can be added at anytime.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:31 pm

I haven't been following the music portion of this project, mostly for the reasons that Majra just stated. However, I am a little curious about one thing; I remember there was a lot of talk about having town-specific music, for big towns like Narsis, Necrom, and Tear. Maybe it was just idle speculation, but were there any plans to go through with that?

Also, does anybody know what happened to dragonfly?

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:24 pm

Telsar · Post by **Telsar** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:36 pm

This is what I want to know: what will I do with the music I write?
I am still writing music for TR, but its been going slow since I don't know what to do with it. When Dragonfly was around, people sent their MIDIs to him so that he could record them with the same sounds that he used for his music, so that the TR music all had the same voices used. But now that he's not here, what should I do?
I would actually be willing to buy a program similar to what Dragonfly used, or the exact program if I knew what it was, since I need a program like that anyway. Otherwise, do we just leave the music as it is?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:47 pm

Well all the music people need to get organized and figure out what to do!!! Our time is Now! lol.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:53 pm

Oh and I forgot to ask...does anyone have any music that have have been working on or have finished yet?/ Because if they do, I would love to heard it!

You can email it to me at carzycole@gmail.com

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:04 am

Telsar wrote: I would actually be willing to buy a program similar to what Dragonfly used, or the exact program if I knew what it was, since I need a program like that anyway.

dragonfly wrote:Software:
Emagic Logic Audio
Creamware SCOPE Fusion w/ PowerSampler (DSP suite for Creamware Luna soundcards)

Hardware:
Kurzweil K2000R (for samples)
Waldorf Q (as master keyboard)
TC M-One (for reverb and effects)
TC Triple-C (for dynamics)

Used a few sample CD's, the most prominent probably being Prosonus Orchestral Strings and Symphonic Fields Forever, I think...

Anyway, I'm back in business now, so if you have any questions regarding TR music, just go ahead and ask! =)

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:08 am

I know of someone who composed like 20 original songs for Morrowind. They are very well done. I'll post a link or something in a little while.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:37 am

Ok it's kind of a hassle to get to due to The Morrowind Summits horrible lag. [url]http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/modcontrols/controlpanel.asp[/url]

After that opens, goto upper right hand corner and search for "Orchestra". Make sure it's set on "title".
This guys music is amazing and really adds to the enviroment of Morrowind. 19 people rated it as excellent. Plus he has stated that he doesn't care if people use his music in their mods so if you guys want, you can use his stuff.

peejunk · Post by **peejunk** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:38 pm

Hi I'm new here so I hope you don't mind me being a smartass from the start but I have some suggestions.

I beleive we need organisation/coordination just as other projects do. One of my suggestion would be to start with having a sticky thread for sound design requests/claims where other designers would ask for sounds, and we would try to provide.

I see there was attempt to unify the music soundwyse by rendering all MIDI at one place. As a long-time (8 years now) sound and music producer I think this is not neccesary. We could unify the sound with common downmixing and mastering, still making use of the fact that most of us had learned to make the best from our own gear and our little tricks will seldom work with that of others.

From what I learned so far, I think that Dummyplug has the best sound option for orchestral work of all artists that listed their software/hardware, including Dragonfly, since GPO can provide more realistic results than any hardware synth, and DSP effects don't play a big role in orchestral music making. Barring Vienna Library, GPO the best orchestral library on the market I beleive.

I for one would love to have my Oboe and Pizzicatos rendered with GPO but I'm content with sound of my other samples and I beleive that having them run through other sound sources would compromise the atmosphere.

So I think we should all work as we do and then have someone downmix and master the music of others. They should provide the raw sound files for the parts they find the sound is integral part of the music somehow (I think Ogg Vorbis at high bitrates is not a quality compromise, while still preserving bandwidth) and MIDI for the rest, to one person who would then use eqs and other production techniques (like emersion in the same space, preferably some IR reverb) to make the sound of different authors more equal.

But for now, what I think is important is that we should have a new coordinator at least until dragofly shows up, and sort our priorities (i.e. see what other designers/admins think that needs to be done first). The coordinator doesen't have to be the one with best sound output, I think it should be someone with enough will and free time to organize sound and music development.

From what I see, it's sound effects and narration that we should concentrate on since there is a lot of music allready done (it won't stop me, and I beleive others too, to to write more music regardless

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Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:02 pm

I don't really think more organization's necessary. As it is, when people need someone to say something or make sounds for a creature, they post it, and the voice-actors respond. The composers post music whenever they want to submit it. At the moment, we really don't need new sound effects.

When we get into the eagerly anticipated future when we'll actually need to voice-act plot characters, perhaps we'll need a more orderly method. But I don't think it's currently needed, and who knows? Perhaps when this stage is reached, Dragonfly will have returned.

Cheers.

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:13 pm

There are people who are eager to work on sounds and music (for instance peejunk and Telsar) so instead of saying this can be done later we can just as well let them work on it now. However, without a moderator on the Sound & Music Forum and all the far-outdated stickies it'll be very hard for them to get it organized. So I feel that either a moderator should pay attention to this forum or a new moderator should be appointed for it. If we decline this request, I think they'll be gone before to long and we won't be seeing much more of them.

If this forum doesn't get a moderator, it could just as well be deleted because in this state it's just taking useless space. I wouldn't like to see this happening though.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:43 pm

Grey is still the one heading up sounds.... if anyone was to take over it would be him in my opinion

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:08 pm

He'd seem like a very good person for the position to me. If he's willing to do it, it could be a great help to get some organisation back in this forum.

Teli · Post by **Teli** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:39 pm

I agree.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:50 pm

Ask him before assuming anything though. He's a busy guy.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:34 pm

I communicate with grey daily, and I wasnt sayin thats what we are doing. Im just sayin, he'd be the obvious choice if we ever needed to. At this point, I dont think we do.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:09 pm

Actually, I don't think it's actually a big deal having a moderator......just everyone sending in their music sounds like a good plan to me. I guess it would probably better if we had SOMEONE semi in-charge though, like say maybe appoint like 3 or 4 people to run the sound or something not just one person.

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:19 pm

Mjara, please take a look at all the stickes. They are so hopelessly outdated. If a moderator could at least clean these up; it'll help a bunch. Currently, it's just a neglected section of the forum and I don't think it should be. As I said before, sounds might not be a priority but if there are people who really want to work on sound and music they should have the possibility to work on a neat and organized forum, just like everyone.

And being moderator on this forum won't be anything compared to other moderators. It will be just cleaning up old stickies and updating some things sporadically. And I clearly said IF Greybeard wants to do this, I wasn't assuming anything.

And if no new moderator is appointed, then please let a current moderator look at the forum just once a week or something and make sure it's not being clogged up by things like useless old stickies.

If you could give me a good argument not to appoint a moderator or let a current moderator look at the forum once very time, then please do. Until now I haven't seen anything against doing this. 'It's not a priority' does not make sense, there are people that want to do sounds and that want to do music, so why should we let this forum in neglect and not give them the space they need to get some organisation.

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