cross bread races

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:38 am

I think we should have a cross bread verson of each race but Aragias and Kajiks.so there is 3 elve races 4 human 1 orc add that you get 8. 8X8= 64 plus 2 equals 66... dang well minus the 10 races you satart with you will have to make 56.

edit:why is everyone not for the idea?

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:48 am

That's too much work for a bolt-on. And bolt-ons are unofficial TR mods. Who's going to stop whatever they're doing for TR to do this? Plus, there's no lore to back this.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:58 am

i heard that khajiits & argonians can produce... that would be awesome!

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:32 am

heard that khajiits & argonians can produce...

From whom?

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:44 am

I highly doubt it. Very little is known about the Argonians, and I don't think anything is known about the way they reproduce. The Khajiit also have a very bizarre way of reproducing, which is heavily reliant on the phase of the moon.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:37 pm

Garriath wrote:
heard that khajiits & argonians can produce...
From whom?

i cant remember... probably somewhere on the official forums... or at least i think i did...

Timito · Post by **Timito** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:48 pm

Now THIS is getting wierd. You've gotta be tottaly out of your mind to go to bed with a Orc female! Aaarrgggghhh!!!

Of course if you are a orc it wouldn't be a problem. It would be a problem if you'd cross bred some kind of half-human half-elf race but an Argonian and a Kajit, that is seriously sick.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:42 am

Administrator Noirgrim wrote: Plus, there's no lore to back this.

yes there is. I read this book in game that talks about how humans and elves can cross bread and that ocs and humans/elves can to but it would be kept serect and stuff. plus there is already modes out there with some races cross bread we just edit those and make the reast

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:51 pm

On the Game there's a book that says that while men and mer can breed together quire easily, and there's a possibly of a Khjit/man/mer half-breed, I believe it says that Argonians and Khajit can procreate. Orc and man/mer unions are also possible, though social condemnation on either side would probably follow. Perhaps, as a bolt-on, some half-breed faces?

Graff.

Asylum · Post by **Asylum** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:09 pm

To my knowlege when men and mer breed with eachother the offspring has the looks of the female parent. (I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere but can't seem to find where.) Thus it would be a waste of time to make crossbreed races IMO, and focus on more important issues.

Inferno_str1ke · Post by **Inferno_str1ke** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:57 pm

This does sound interesting, but it will take alot of work. Try and come up with a little something to show and Ill add this to the list. And anyone who wants time away from the project can join in as well.

Zaldav · Post by **Zaldav** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:06 pm

As long as they don't look like VIVEC!
They should have features from both sides of the races (Exept those whome are members of house telvanni cause they are purebred mages)
Like this:

Altmer male Dunmer female

Altmer hight, Dark elf ears and skin colour, Altmer aptitude for magicka, Dunmer fire resitance, And their bonus traits(Dunmer:short blade+15=35)
(Altmer:Enchant+20=40) Like that

I love playing god

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:23 pm

The problem with this is that you need to make new race types, to get the different atributes. If we wanted to implemented this, perhaps we could make some new hair and face meshes, just to show the half-breeds as a little different to pure-breeds, e.g. Slightly lighter/gold-flecked face for altmer-dunmer half-breed.

Zaldav · Post by **Zaldav** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:52 pm

Graff The Nord wrote:The problem with this is that you need to make new race types, to get the different atributes. If we wanted to implemented this, perhaps we could make some new hair and face meshes, just to show the half-breeds as a little different to pure-breeds, e.g. Slightly lighter/gold-flecked face for altmer-dunmer half-breed.

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Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:07 pm

Try that house across from Fargoth's in Seyda Neen. I believe that it contains a book on the crossbreeding of races.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:27 pm

Algunos malos planes son mejores cuando son muertos...

-Starcrunch

der gottlose · Post by **der gottlose** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:27 pm

Artemis Entreri · Post by **Artemis Entreri** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:38 pm

Great idea!!!! Would there be many cross-breed NPCs or would you keep that to a minumum. Would these half-breeds get discriminated at all.(ex for dialogue."Get away from me you son of a sex-crazed whore")

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:43 pm

In Real Barenziah, there's some hinting at Khajiit/Mer intercourse having a higher incidence of pregnancy than Mer/Mer. Also, the Racial Phylogeny mentions legends of Daedric hybrids. Given what the Maar Gan dremora says, they do have the organs...

Hey, get away from that Golden Saint!

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:45 pm

That's believable considering one of the Daedra lords is "the king of Rape" if I'm not mistaken.

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:35 pm

Ok sorry but here are my thoughts.
1) Bretons are a crossbreed between men and mer.
2) any crossbreed that isn't killed at birth would hide the fact that it was a crossbreed because of serious descrimination. (Note I believe Nightengale and several other main characters are crossbreeds but go with whichever breed they most closely resemble)

Basically there are crossbreeds in lore and in the games but they aren't portrayed in game as crossbreeds and for the effort it would take to make actual crossbreeds I don't think it's worth it. What would be better is finding the in game faces that look somewhat like they have a bit of another races features in them and make a quest/book/storyline about them and thier life as a crossbreed.

Phaen · Post by **Phaen** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:04 pm

Response:
1. Only through MANY generations of crossbreeding.
2. It would simply hide the fact that its a crossbreed because the difference is almost impossible to notice.

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

(from Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology, Seventh Edition.)

Lord Elias · Post by **Lord Elias** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:44 am

Jagar Tharn was mix-up of Wood,Dark and High elf...(one of the Barenziah books)But making crossbread races is(the idea is good)a waste of time...

Wood_Elf · Post by **Wood_Elf** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:07 am

*rolling around on floor laughing*

Man, der gottlose you kill me lol, wheat! XD

oh man. =P

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:42 am

Lord Elias wrote:Jagar Tharn was mix-up of Wood,Dark and High elf...(one of the Barenziah books)

wrong, they weren't sure which race he was, it mentioned two possibilities actually, but I don't remember either of them

Still, he definately is a mixed race (don't like using the word "crossbreed" when refering to people) but the book never said for certain which races he actually wa.
Am I wrong?

andreas of austevoll · Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:53 am

In the intro in Arena don`t they say he`s an imperial battlemage or did they only mean he was in imprial service?

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:28 pm

andreas of austevoll wrote:In the intro in Arena don`t they say he`s an imperial battlemage or did they only mean he was in imprial service?

He's not AN imperial battlemage, he's THE Imperial Battlemage (it's a position of very high rank that makes one essentially the personal councilor to the Emperor on all things magical).

-Starcrunch

Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:20 pm

Isn't creating new races just a waste of time? Look at the latest update on the Elder Scrolls website on Oblivion, and as I recall Ashley Cheng said something about them calculating about 480 billion character combinations in Morrowind. If thats not enough, please flame me. Effort should be put on the maps, they are exquisitly detailed already, and can stay that way if no modders are going off and makes races. Just my two cents worth.

andreas of austevoll · Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:52 pm

480 billions!
Do you mean that in this morrowind game I think thats a bit lesser than that

Garriath · Post by **Garriath** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:01 pm

I believe that number is including all possible names applying to all possible skills applying to all possible class names.

Anyway, I do believe in Redguard, one of the key characters, Tobias, is a Cyro-Nord. However, unless I'm much mistaken, he's generally referred to just as a Nord, and, if you ask me, look much more like a Nord than Imperial. His father was also the Nord, his mother presumably the cyrodiil.

I'm against the idea of cross-bred races. As Tobias illustrated, you can be a crossbreed of whatever two races but still only resemble one. As for the khajit/argonian deal, I'm skeptical. Seeing as neither have discernable anatomies (though Khajit definitely *do,* maybe they just know how to hide them) I'm assuming that they're just too far away genetically from men and mer to successfully reproduce.

However, I think we all know how to truly solve this problem. Stumpy, if you're there, could you re-post that Khajit porn?

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:31 pm

I don't think there would to much work to make the new races, there would be mostly retexturing I think.

I think this is an quite good idea, but I think crossbreed races is unnecessary, since there would be so few npc of those breeds.

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 pm

Maybe a good idea as a bolt-on, if you really want to do it, though I'm sure many mods like this have already been made. I'll look on the Summit.

andreas of austevoll · Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:38 pm

And if you want to do it very easy just make a race with bodyparts with from 2 or more races

Phaen · Post by **Phaen** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:52 pm

Er... hello, aren't we supposed to be sticking to the lore?

...

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:56 pm

This somewhat is in lore... Somewhat, but even if it's not, it's a bolt-on idea, so it doesn't matter much.

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:03 pm

Barenziah is impregnated by the Emperor in "The Real Barenziah"
So it is in lore
I think i read that Kajit/Argonian thing too

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:21 pm

No doubt about it that racial cross-breeding is in lore. You can't deny that.
However, as some people have said, cross-breed races are not like racial mixing in the real world. In the real world, when an east-Russian man procreates with an Irish woman, you get my girlfriend, who looks Hawaiian. In the Elder Scrolls, when a Nord procreates with a Cyrodiil, you get a Nord with an Imperial mother. THAT is in lore as well, and something you cannot deny. So these cross-breed races, which blend two races' features together, are rather contradictory with lore.

Phaen · Post by **Phaen** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:01 pm

Which is what I was trying to point out with my quotes that were subsequently ignored.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:15 pm

I think the mixing the taking the feature of your mother refers to the mating of human and mer. My guess is that the human mixing is a lot like the real world (it's not like there are many real differences between a Cyrodil and a Nord.

-Starcrunch

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:40 pm

when i came up with the idea of cross breeds everyone started yelling about how kajit and ariongan can or can not produce and said my idea was dumd

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