vanilla does call the PC “child” on a couple occasions (notably before joining), but nothing truly recurrent,
in TR there’s only one Temple questgiver and it’s my child this, my child that. Seriously, good luck finding a dialogue entry of his that doesn’t have it. Needs some cutting down regardless because of the too much, but should that sort of thing be kept up at all as a rule?
Reasons against:
- it’s not part of the Temple structure, only the top rank is Patriarch and even Saryoni is never called “father”
- other dialogue common to Temple questgivers calls the PC “brother” or “sister”. You don’t call someone child in one (every) line and a sibling on the next
- the Temple is still ancestor worship. It’s not like it wouldn’t make sense for them to project part of that back onto the power structure, but the Temple as a whole are children in front of the ancestors and mother Almalexia
- boring priest cliche, there are enough unsubtle links to Catholicism already and that’s not a flavorful one
Anyone want to make a case for it?
Other dialogue issues:
(these should already be fixed in Mainland post faction merge)
TR_m2_TT_1c
journal entry misspells “Shrine of Solitude” instead of “Shrine of Hindsight”
pilgrimage
"If these pilgrimages do not seem to your taste"
"if these do not suit you"
- holy matters referred to as subject to taste is inappropriate
"If you don't plan on traveling far"
- convenience concerns, same, should be worded differently
“You say you have already completed three pilgrimages? The Temple must indeed be your true calling. “
- entry must be repositioned above the two “Before your duties can begin“ or it’s useless
temple
"You're a member of House Indoril."
misattributed to T_Mw_Temple faction
vivec
"Lord Vivec is a lover of both words and deeds, and a master of weapons and poetry."
x4 entries all missing <25 conditions, block all the rest
TR_m3_Vono_Sarando (Gorne priest) missing Temple faction
Comments
note: bottom bugs either
note: bottom bugs either preemptively fixed or made irrelevant in the faction unification patch, but they’re still in Mainland,
(Journal & “my child” business untouched)
Very nice catch and I agree
Very nice catch and I agree the dialogue could use some stiffening up to reflect more of a hesitant opposition as well. One of the main things that I've harped on about the dialogue in our mod is that a lot of the people treat you way to nicely, as opposed to how you are treated in vanilla. I think that there needs to be a little bit more of an ambiguity towards the player, even with the temple there should still be an underlying sense of not trusting them, or perhaps even them needing to earn more respect. This really needs to be addressed in a lot of dialogue trees however, and it might be better to wait until we are ready to redo some of the older content to fully expand on what needs to be done.
Not quite what I was pointing
Not quite what I was pointing at here but that’s also true.
I get that, but it still
I get that, but it still falls into the same category of “overall atmosphere being tainted”.
On further examation there
On further examation there are many issues with Ratagos’ dialogue as a whole, be it grammar or the fact that he hands over “drakes” as a reward for quests. Will need more extensive fixing in the main file.
(also the last quest still ends with “go to Necrom, the Holy City of the Dead, and report there that a cult of Molag Bal has been discovered” – beyond that unfinished) edit: design claim made
Some of the "my child"s and
Some of the "my child"s and drakes were removed by reapplying faction patch changes, at least it shouldn't be every line now.
edit: no, there are still "drakes", and the "my child"s are still excessive, even twice in the same line. Reopening this.
Replaced gold reward with a
Replaced one gold reward with a couple scrolls while hiding this one under a rock, but issue is untouched in general.
Need to do: inventory Temple & TR temple quest rewards, see what is already given to avoid too much repetition
Also see: the best case reward in quest 2 is worse than the second-best, isn't it?
Closing the oldest bug report
Closing the oldest bug report on the tracker.