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In Almas Thirr, Nelos Llothri’s House there are a few books one would not expect to find in a holy city such as Almas Thirr. Varieties of Thought volumes 1-3 and A Breif History of the Empire volumes 1-4. It would probably be best if these books were removed or replaced. 

Also so I'll keep this thread for general nitpicking as I'm playing through TR on OpenMW currently and I always have something I think is worth changing.

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A bug report might bring more attention, like we have this gem from a few months ago:
http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/bugtracker/old-ebonheart-mages-guild-fire-hazard

Thanks for the detailed reviewing. As far as the placements in Nelos’ home, it might be possible he’s the kind of NPC interested in other provinces; may one of those things where we check out what the conventions on Imperial books in Dunmer homes have been up to now when making a judgement on it.
 

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The book placement in general could need some work – we have a lot of entertainment novels that aren’t spread around anywhere but the Firewatch library, not even in Old Ebonheart like you’d expect. 

Actually, wasn’t there a book list once?

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Maybe, but it’s since been buried.

Making a new one would be great.

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Well I could open a bug, I wasn’t sure if it constituted as one or not. As far as for Varities of Thought, it appears to be an anti-Tribunal Temple book, and as such I’m not sure the Ordinators of Almas Thirr would tolerate anyone being in possession of such literature, especially if it is blatantly out in the open as such. I guess I can forgive BHOTE, but again it seems to be a stretch, given that in vanilla you’re hard pressed to find such books in temple residencies. Maybe a book list with a genre list and maybe short descriptions would be best for referencing.

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With the advent of Tamriel_Data there’s also a whole bunch of books from other provinces, some of which could be found in Morrowind.

I think we should probably go through the books in Tamriel_Data and categorize them by – i dunno – faction/region/topic, so interior designers know what books to use. (This is just a gut-feeling, but I think that TR’s interiors generally have more books than vanilla ones; this is sometimes a bit odd especially in poor interiors)

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And the wickerwheat bundles. OHH GOD can we talk about those for a moment? T_de_var_wickerwhearbundle_01 (and if there are any other numerical variants) really need to have something done with them like a complete redo of the mesh or something because it's such an eyesore whenever they pop up in the game world. Very low resolution and honestly I'm not even sure they serve a purpose as a static mesh since I've never seven seen them used for anything. There's no big ingredient piles in vanilla so I don't know why they are in TR really. 

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Frankly, I don’t mind the wickerwheat bundles. They’re actually one of the unused vanilla meshes (and are intended to be a misc item judging by their position in the archive). There’s an unused icon to go with them.

If others feel it's worth changing, I think a re-texture of the rope (or even adjusting the material to match the wheat) would be enough to reduce the eye-popping-ness. The mesh itself looks fine, though adding some verts to the very edges should be possible without affecting current placements too much.
It might be worth turning it into a misc item, in any case.

 

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Let’s talk about tapestries real quick, too.

My long-term goal for next year is to get all of the tapestries TR has currently REPLACED with similar but hand-painted retextures. Many of the current ones do not fit the Morrowind aesthetic and/or are very ‘moddy’ looking. It’s something that’s always bothered my about TR, and I’m planning on doing SOMETHING about it next year.

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T_bl_oldmanoftheashlandstr is situated in Salvu Manor and the book is about a Redguard who prays to Yokudian gods to kill a cliff racer. This is the manor of an Indriol lord on the council, I highly doubt they would have a book about  redguard gods within their sacred home.

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There are a few instances of bk_profressoftruth within romithren monastery, library. This is a tribunal monastery and progress of truth is a book about dissident priests questioning tribunal divinity….needless to say these books should probably be removed and replaced.

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I don’t know who wrote Old Man of the Ashlands, but I think it suffers from the same syndrome that some older TR books do: that is, the author has written an adventure narrative about their own Morrowind character.

I’m not downright against having that kind of books in Tamriel_Data, but I think they should be used pretty sparingly.

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The NPC Selvur Davis inside Necrom, Seafarer’s Rest Hostel is from Dres District but is pretty warm to the player, telling them about his injuries sustained at sea. One would expect a Dres affiliated dunmer would be more apprehensive towards outlanders.

Also, in the same room as him there are TWO sermons of vivec just laying on a shelf. Those books should be rather rare to find in general, but to have two of them in an inn seems a little too much.

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With the advent of Tamriel_Data there’s also a whole bunch of books from other provinces, some of which could be found in Morrowind.

Coming back to this for a second, it should be noted that many of the TR/P:C/Sky books are identical texts: they’ve been kept in Data because the book meshes have different shapes and sizes. Replacing these across the gameworld would be too much trouble for what it’s worth. My long-term goal is to replace the contents of doubled books at P:C with new literature, sidestepping the issue. For the moment, though, I’ve given up on changing the books in data: there are too many inconsistencies and quality issues to rectify all at once.

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Rats

With the advent of Tamriel_Data there’s also a whole bunch of books from other provinces, some of which could be found in Morrowind.

I think we should probably go through the books in Tamriel_Data and categorize them by – i dunno – faction/region/topic, so interior designers know what books to use. (This is just a gut-feeling, but I think that TR’s interiors generally have more books than vanilla ones; this is sometimes a bit odd especially in poor interiors)

I agree on all points. Books should also be categorized for differant provinces, since there are books that should only appear in Skyrim, and books that should only appear in Morrowind, ect, ect.
 

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I don’t know who wrote Old Man of the Ashlands(link is external), but I think it suffers from the same syndrome that some older TR books do: that is, the author has written an adventure narrative about their own Morrowind character.

I’m not downright against having that kind of books in Tamriel_Data, but I think they should be used pretty sparingly.

I remeber that book came up for review during Adanorcil’s text overhaul project back in 2013.

Adanorcil

TR_bk_OldManAshlands_WW � The character here really shouldn't be an apparently half-blind Redguard netchherd. I understand the author was trying to do a unique character, but in the end all you end up with is a clearly contrived one. The character does netch herding, because that's what we saw in Morrowind, but then in the meantime he namedrops a bunch of Redguard stuff. The phrase from the Pocket Guide is written �tobr'a�. 

Perhaps it’s time we held a similar review of our current texts? Weed out more of the duds.

I’d also like to remove a number of Daggerfall and Oblvion books, picking the ones we keep on a case-to-case basis.