Hello!
I want to collaborate with Tamriel Rebuilt and I started to mess around with the CS to learn the basics. I started creating this short quest for the showcase, I playtested it and it works as intedned but probably there are some bits that I didn't catch.
Tuls' request
The quest starts in the St. Olms waistworks, where the player meets Tuls. The dunmer asks the player to bring a letter to Nendryl, the girl that he loves, but he's too shy to propose to her. The player can bring the letter directly, or listen around or ask people about Tuls and learning that he's crazy, and he started to persecute Nendryl. When the player speaks to Nendryl, he can lie saying that the letter is from house Hlaalu, and as soon as she opens it she dies. The player can return to Tuls, that give him some gold as a reward and then attacks the player to eliminate the only witness of the murder. If the player decides to say the thruth to Nendryl, she asks him to go to a friendly ordinator, Balu, and give him the letter as a proof or go to confront Tuls directly. If the player confronts Tuls directly he attacks him without any reward. If the player speaks to Balu, he will agree to follow the player to Tuls' location to question him. When the player confronts Tuls he attacks them, and when he dies Tuls closes the quest and gives the player some gold and an indoril shield as a reward.
2023-04-16 18:05
57 min 21 sec ago
Hello, thank you for submitting your showcase! First of all, I'm sorry that it took us so long to get back to you - unfortunately the review team has been a bit busy lately.
I can review your showcase now, but before I give you the detailed feedback, first I want to ask if you're still interested in collaborating with us, since it's been quite a while since you've submitted it. Unfortunately, your submission contains plenty of technical and stylistic issues, so in its current state it definitely won't pass the review and quite a bit of effort will be required from your side. If you're still interested, then please let me know and I'll try to give you a proper review as soon as possible.
2024-02-15 23:53
9 months 1 week ago
Don't worry, I had no problem waiting a little bit for the review.
Yes, I'm still interested in passing the showcase. This is my first experience with modding in general, so I expected negative feedback. But I'm ready to put in some effort and correct all the flaws present!
2023-04-16 18:05
57 min 21 sec ago
Hi, thank you for your reply and your patience.
I'll review your showcase this week, then - I probably won't be able to get to it right now, but I'm sure I can finish the review by the end of the week.
2023-04-16 18:05
57 min 21 sec ago
Hi, here's the review.
Let’s start with the biggest technical issue - your file isn’t dependent on either Tamriel Data or Tamriel Rebuilt ESMs. I know that your quest is set on Vvardenfell, so it technically doesn’t need it, but we still need you to demonstrate that you understand the setup of our NPC scripts. I suggest you take a look at other TR_m0 NPCs that are already in Tamriel Rebuilt, and set-up your NPCs to use the same scripts. And also, using NPC scripts and the generic local variables will be required for some of the things that I’ll ask for later.
Quest flowI’ve got a few issues with the design of your quest that will require fairly big structural changes.
big favor
latest rumors
Tuls letter
Tuls
This topic is just kind of weird.
I would reconsider if you actually need this topic at all. As I already mentioned before, I believe there are better ways to warn the player that Tuls is a shady character that doesn't involve talking to random NPCs in a situation where it just wouldn’t occur to the players.
Greeting 1
First of all, I suggest that you take a look at our Writing and DIalogue Guidelines, which include a lot of useful tips on how to make your dialogue sound close to vanilla Morrowind.
The main thing that you should pay attention to is comma splicing, which is an issue that we encounter frequently in showcases and yours is no exception. As an example:
Have you given the letter to Nendryl? Please give it to her as soon as you can, my heart is burning! And don't read it please, it's important that no one beside Nendryl knows the words erupting from my soul. -> Have you given the letter to Nendryl? Please give it to her as soon as you can. My heart is burning! But don't read it, please -- it's important that no one beside Nendryl knows the words erupting from my soul.
However, there’s also quite a bit of errors and non-standard word choices that I think you should catch on a second dialogue pass. When I write dialogue, I tend to give it some time before revisiting and actually implementing it in game. These basic errors that you overlook on the first pass usually jump at you immediately.
These are some of the most apparent issues I noticed:
There’s more issues than these, but like I already said, the design of the quest will need a lot of changes including dialogue, so there isn’t much point in nitpicking the dialogue right now. But in general, please: don’t rush when writing dialogue, take your time, and proofread everything multiple times.
NPCsSo all and all, the showcase has a lot of issues. Unfortunately, you’ve chosen a theme for your quest that’s very hard to execute well, despite it might not have seemed that way at first. But there’s a reason why the no-betrayals rule exists, and I hope that the reason is apparent now - it’s just difficult to write around them in a way that would be satisfying to the players. What usually happens is either you don’t telegraph the betrayal well enough and players just feel upset that they had no opportunity to uncover it, or prevent it early, or you telegraph it too much and the twist falls flat on its face. You seemed to have understood this, but have chosen to address it in ways that I don’t really think work.
Like I already said, I won’t ask you to scrap the quest altogether and start over, but as you can see, there’s a lot of work to be done, and to be frank, I expect that it will take us more than one additional iteration to pass the showcase.
I highly suggest that you join us on our Discord and ask any questions you might have in the #showcase-shadowgate channel.