Possibe lore inconsistency in the "Silent Night" quest

Submitted by Nalazdor Zaam on

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Issue

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Minor

Game version: 

Morrowind

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TR_Mainland

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In the "Silent Night" quest in Almas Thirr potion seller asks you to bring her a silence potion. Problem is that she specifies that she doesn't need a silence potion which "makes your spells fail", but a silence potion which "makes your mouth go quiet", when it is established in the lore that muteness caused by a silence effect is exact reason why mages cannot cast their spells.

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relevant book is bookskill

Dev Shah's picture

by Dev Shah on Thu, 2021-05-13 07:05

relevant book is bookskill_illusion2.
Relevant quotes:-

 He explained what it truly meant to bend sound, creating a cone of silence as glass can bend light.

Egroamaro bowed to his adversary sardonically, and then prepared to unleash a fireball to incinerate him.  Before he had uttered the first word of the spell, he suddenly found that all the creaking and sighing of the ruins around him had been stilled.  He opened his voice to speak, but there was no sound.

IMO this can be explained by the questgiver not understanding silence, and Narusya just taking advantage of that. Everything doesn't need to fit in. 

Take care!!

But if that is the case,

Nalazdor Zaam's picture

by Nalazdor Zaam on Thu, 2021-05-13 17:20

But if that is the case, drinking the potion should put silence effect on the player. Does it happen? 

Quick fix is here: https:/

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by Ronik on Sun, 2023-10-22 12:46

Quick fix is here: https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/comment/31562#comment-31562

I'm also uploading a second ESP with a more complex fix here for consideration of the reviewers. I agree that it if the silence effect is supposed to be the same that makes the player character unable to cast spells, it would also make sense that the player should be able to drink the potion and get the (negative) effects. However, the current quest item is a misc item.

The TR_m3_AT_SilentNight_potionFix ESP makes the following changes:

  • Adds a new alchemy item TR_m3_AT_SilentNight_pot with a very strong Silence effect, deletes the TR_m3_AT_SilentNight_potion misc item.
  • Replaces all usage of the old quest item with the new item in dialogue results.
  • Narusya will now make you another potion if you lose (or drink) the first one for 200 drakes.
  • Rearranged the dialogue in the "potion of silence" topic, so I can reuse the already existing choice dialogue line and not have to create a new one.
  • Increased the amount of money that Narusya asks of you from 350 to 500. It wouldn't really make sense for the potion to be cheaper than vanilla's Exclusive Potion of Silence.

The changes in the potionFix ESP don't conflict with the changes in the basicFix ESP, so both of them can be merged.

Patch File: 

Binary Data TR_m3_AT_SilentNight_potionFix.ESP

Bug status

Type: 

Issue

Severity: 

Minor

Game version: 

Morrowind

Concerns: 

TR_Mainland