Old Ebonheart Section

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Description

Section thread.

Workflow

This is the file where dialogue, quests, and claims for Old Ebonheart should be merged. Do not edit this file without also loading TR_Mainland.esp, and do not merge other esps into it without also loading TR_Mainland.esm! (see editing guidelines)

Development Plan

The Ebon Tower interiors need to be finished and merged, then the rest of the NPCs and Quests need to be developed. The southern field with the Aanthirin flora needs a bit more detailing so that the border between the OE and Indoril-Thirr section is not so obvious.

Link to previous release

Merged Bugfixes: 

Merged Claims: 

Merged Assets: 

Comments

File v.0106 is up with

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File v.0106 is up with MinerMan's added room in the Mages Guild

Some things not done: (updated feb 12)
- minor bugs
- NPCs without autocalc
- Can start “A Criminal Lawyer” infinitely
- Malarunubi narrow passage collision issues
- MWEdit Script Revisions
- Old Ebonheart - Legion Map Tapestry touching nails causes bounty
- collection of bugs in Thirr /OE
- Renewing my suggestion that some NPCs be given cyrodilic clothes from P:C if the style/resolution allows it (nothing overboard since apparently all those available at this time are nibenese, plus you don't want to ruin the novelty in P:C itself, but a cap here and a shirt there on a street merchant can't hurt)
edit: also reposting other comments from the previous OE section page minus what Rats listed as fixed since,

 

– some NPCs may still be unintended trainers (list)

Guild of Fighters   - coordinates in this post

in_com_traptop_01    Old Ebonheart, Grand Chapel of Talos: Towers    -1328    0    3180    "coming from this trapdoor = sends a bit too far forwards, chin into plants"

TR_sc_m3-278_placeholder    Old Ebonheart, Imperial Archaeological Society: Top Floor   missing assets have been named "blank scrolls" for now

ownerships:

 

   

TR_m3_Sallus Pepander    Old Ebonheart (6,-19)    "vanilla isn't respectful of nolore for trader class, many topics - if these aren't supposed to have any other dialogue give them another or make a custom StallVendor class"    

TR_m3_Uttrashi    Old Ebonheart, Tail Tales    "more loquatious greetings than khajiits but Background is default khajiitspeak"    
TR_m3_Ra-Zihad    Old Ebonheart, Tail Tales    "same"    

TR_m3_Izon    Old Ebonheart, Hostel of Stendarr's Mercy    "is this where freed slaves go? should dialogue indicate that?"

TR_m3_Potemus Marolus    Old Ebonheart, Imperial Navy Command Post    "might need nolore"   
TR_sc_m3-771_note    " extra word ''I'm not going there down there'' "

should be already fixed:

 

 

 
 

Hi I'd like to add 2-4 new

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Hi I'd like to add 2-4 new NPC's to the OE Fighters guild. It feels empty right now.
#1 would be in the upper level sleeping quarters (probably an argonian who acts like a squire/maid and tries but fails to keep the place clean). This NPC has the added benefit of acting like a guard to prevent the player from mass looting the bedroom.
#2/#3 would be sparring in the basement, which is currently a massive open cell with two npcs.
#4 would be wandering the guildhall

none of them have very in depth dialogue but they sure would make the fighters guild seem larger

10/17/2017 (22:13)    TR

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10/17/2017 (22:13)    TR_OldEbonheart_v.0107.ESP    10/17/2017 (21:53)    skraeling    TR_m3_Reynant Alciente00000000    Old Ebonheart, Guild of Barristers    3830    3946    12034    "typo in 'lawyer' dialogue: 'intricasies'"    
10/17/2017 (22:14)            skraeling    TR_m3_q_OE_CriminalLawyerNote    Old Ebonheart, Guild of Barristers    3992    4003    12034    "this would work better with a specific high rock location"    

Quest "TR_m3_OE_Inspiration":

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Quest "TR_m3_OE_Inspiration":
- Stage 70, "Emlia" -> "Emelia".
- TR_OldEbonheart_v.0107.ESP    10/17/2017 (21:53)    skraeling    TR_m3_Juilecca Suvia00000000    Old Ebonheart, Neel Gymont's Fine Art    127    -788    -126    "topic 'Wayrest painter': replace 'some these ingredients' by 'some of these' to kill typo and avoid duplication"  

Checking this out to fix the

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Checking this out to fix the bugs arvis mentioned as well as fixing a line of dialogue that was at odds with P:C.

Dropping. - fixed the typos

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Dropping.

- fixed the typos arvisrend reported
- added a more specific location "ALCAIRE, HIGH ROCK" to the lawyer's note (TR_m3_q_OE_CriminalLawyerNote)
- changed Mashag_Agum to Mashag gro-Agum and also gave him a weapon
- gave TR_m3_Tienius Cedus a more vanilla-style face. I think we should refrain from using P:C and SHOTN head and hair assets if only for aesthetic consistency's sake. Love the two fighters sparring though.
- fixed a "latest rumor" that previously referenced the count of Leyawiin. Now references the count of Bruma; also made the rumor more rare.
- added NoLore conditions where they were erroneously missing
- added Hammerfell style tapestries to "Hamal's Redguard Goods"
- added a "latest rumor" entry hinting at the "Oh What Customs!" quest
- assigned Faction memberships to IAS and Imperial Navy NPCs
- made "TR_m3_Narusya" stand still instead of wandering around in her shop
- fixed a dialogue bug that caused the publicans to hate you after you rented a room

Uploaded a new version and

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Uploaded a new version and dropped again.

- Fixed a few dialogue filter errors
- Some of the Navy NPCs were erroneusly members of the Western Fleet. Fixed that.

More on the painter

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Sorry, I wanted to post this days ago, but the server broke down...

TR_OldEbonheart_v.0107.ESP    10/17/2017 (21:53)    skraeling    TR_m3_Neel Gymont00000000    Old Ebonheart, Neel Gymont's Fine Art    -114    -830    130    "script ignores stoneware and silverware bowls on player"    

10/18/2017 (19:29)    TR_OldEbonheart_v.0107.ESP    10/17/2017 (21:53)    skraeling    TR_m3_Neel Gymont00000000    Old Ebonheart, Neel Gymont's Fine Art    -114    -830    130    "in 'a new dealer' topic, i think 'equisite' is a typo"    
 

Checking this out for some

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Checking this out for some sewer merging. Will add generic critters and NPCs as well as some planned ones while at it.

In v.0107:   TR_m3_Cortos

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In v.0107:

 

Dropping. Merged sewers and

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Dropping.

  • Merged sewers and the Ebon Tower interiors that have been finished so far.
  • Added creatures and a few NPCs into the sewers.
  • Added a round window to the Grand Chapel of Talos; also expanded the chapel undercroft a little.
  • Renamed exterior cell "Old Ebonheart, Ebon Tower" to "Ebon Tower". All the interiors in the Ebon Tower now use that too.
  • Renamed the eight towers representing the Divines after each Divine.
  • Fixed a couple of dialogue bugs.

The NPCs I added to the

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The NPCs I added to the sewers were:

  • Armennu, a vampire who's made "Old Ebonheart, Sewers: Maintenance Room" her lair. Responsible for killing the maintenance workers.
  • Velmu and Rothus two Dark Elves of the Ratcatchers' Guild; wretchedly poor but proud and hard working people who--you've guessed it--catch rats; can be found in "Old Ebonheart, Sewers: East"
  • Hirurgus, a marginalized hermit alchemist, ex-partner of Narusya, a fellow alchemist. Formerly held the Chalice of Ambras, a mortar & pestle artifact, which is now in Narusya's possession. Disgruntled and plotting his revenge.
  • Five guard NPCs guarding the parts of the sewers that lead to important Imperial locations.

five guards NPCs? I thought

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five guards NPCs? I thought the whole point was the sewers weren't full of guards so it was free reign to play a thief in. Maybe one or two but the player should be encouraged to break into these places.

Checking out. Going to remove

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Checking out.

Going to remove some of the guard NPCs, modify their behaviour; link one missing door; add some Ebon Tower NPCs that were already planned, as well as generic guards.

Dropping.  Fixed the bug rot

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Dropping.

  •  Fixed the bugs rot reported:
 
  • Fixed the OE Census book typos
  • Pathgridded the merged Ebon Tower interiors
  • Added the ghost in Stendarr's Tower
  • NPC'ed some of the Ebon Tower thusly:
    •  
      In the Curia building:
      • Ritaria Gravia, a scribe
      • Parandil, minister of treasury; Thaisa Arkaniil & Vettorica Jeralf, aides to the treasury minister
      • Belisatha Mede, minister of justice; Bravilo Julianian, the minister's aide
      • Menervius Venius, minister of Telvanni affairs; Rascar-Zhaal, a Storm Atronach whom the Telvanni have sent to act as their "ambassador" as a mean-spirited joke--doesn't talk in any understandable language.
      • Dels Sur-Enaren, minister of Dres affairs and a former member of House Dres (currently on the Dres' hit-list); Beledas Raalthren, his bodyguard
      • Nerasa Veran, minister of Temple affairs, a former priest of the Temple whom the Temple know considers to be an apostate; Rumus Stannicus, her bodyguard
      • Aramius Marolus, minister of Indoril affairs; Llethe Marolus, the Indoril ambassador who is also the minister's wife, doesn't have much contact with her House anymore. (Their son, Potemus Marolus, is the admiral of the Imperial Navy)
      • Hjortyn Silver-Tongue, minister of Redoran affairs; Maalna Balur, the Redoran ambassador; Svarti Two-Knives, ambassador of the Nord populace of northern Morrowind--doesn't get along with the Redoran ambassador for obvious reasons.
      • Glaucia Rumariil, minister of Hlaalu affairs; Polsirie Dalomo, the Hlaalu ambassador, good friends with the minister and has great influence over her; Rald Hearth-Friend, the minister's aide; Ji'Risdirr, an ambassador for the Khajiit people.

      In the Legion building:

      • Memistean Fellux, a priest working for the Legion and a secret high-ranking member of the Talos Cult (in Akatosh's Tower).
      • Caecalia Victrix, Lord General of the Imperial Legion, head of the Legion in Morrowind; Solius Zenitarion, the Lord General's left hand; Olfvur Steel-Skin, Knight of the Imperial Dragon (every District has one), he is the second-in-command.
      • Aldrianus Drusus, Marten Arcellio & Scaratha; Legion recruits
      • Ulvu Ouradas, a healer
      • Rosia Valo, a gatekeeper
      • Gaulus the Jailor, the jailor at the dungeons
      • Lanian Grivepien, a torturer
      • Kerran, the Legion smith
      • Corvia Sansalas, a Master-at-Arms

      In the Summerset Isles mission:

      • Elteryn of Firsthold, the Summerset Isles ambassador; Armaranco, aide to the ambassador

      Also added a bunch of generic guards in the interiors that were NPC'd.

Just to post it someplace

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Just to post it someplace relevant:
I've gone though the current version of the section file, and found 2 missing interiors which aren't featured in any claims in the browser.

The first one is a room below the Valenwood Mission. Rats told me on Discord it's already been taken care of.
The second is a shipwreck off the coast. There's a finished interior claim on the old forums, which can be found here.

What I did was going through each exterior cell, finding the doors and checking if there's a DoorMarker nearby. Someone with more experience with the CS could tell if it was thorough enough, or there's more to be done.

These objects have 0

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These objects have 0 instances and (in latest file) 0 uses in scripts or dialogue:

 

 
Also found a lot of bad IDs:

 

 

The ky_stabbyjak is

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The ky_stabbyjak is intentionally not used--he's waiting for the prison interior to be made before he gets placed in it at the end of the Criminal Lawyer. ID should ideally be updated when that happens too

Old Ebonheart, Guild of

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Old Ebonheart, Guild of Fighters:

 

I'll sort these out. The

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I'll sort these out. The flickering and other errors in the Fighters' Guild have been so egregious, I've purposefully postponed fixing them...

  OE's Census tower currently

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OE's Census tower currently makes no sense to me.
The bottom floor is completely ruined and has a mini quest thing to fix it. The second floor is a complete mess. The top floor is sparse but could be used. 

none of the floors are particularly detailed. There are no NPC's. The Tamriel Rebuilt tile map quest is supposed to be in this int but I don't know if the int is supposed to be abandoned or what. The NPCs are making a mosaic map of Tamriel in the quest, and I can't think of anywhere in the int they would do it.

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org

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http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/claims/ebon-tower-interior-9 is in the file but not linked
the western gate to OE needs the door to the garrison unlocked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338792207827992577/398664134780256266/Morrowind_2018-01-04_21.28.29.894.png
this is the current state of the census and excise for all of old ebonheart at the moment. the "under construction" census and excise should probably still have NPCs staffing it with  only the grand inspector (pictured) moved to the fancy tower. 

minor bugs

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1/5/2018 (00:32)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    TR_m3_Ulvu Ouradas00000000    Ebon Tower, Legion    3421    5764    12034    "seller gold 0"    

1/5/2018 (00:34)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    in_impsmall_loaddoor_01    Ebon Tower, Imperial Census Office    1344    512    640    "door to nowhere"    

1/5/2018 (22:41)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    in_com_traptop_01    Old Ebonheart, Imperial Archaeological Society: Basement    -712    952    -640    "trapdoor not connected"    

1/6/2018 (02:40)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    in_impsmall_door_jail_01    Ebon Tower, Legion: Dungeons    502    8342    1322    "some shit caspers visibly if you go into this cell and then look back"    
1/6/2018 (02:40)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    in_impbig_wall_01    Ebon Tower, Legion: Dungeons    894    8754    1740    "and this is the shit in question"    

1/6/2018 (02:46)    Clean_TR_OldEbonheart_v.0212.ESP    1/4/2018 (17:58)    skraeling    TR_m3_Jastta Nivellus00000000    Old Ebonheart, The Perfect Quarrel    -191    -255    2    "somehow i don't like the use of 'baby' in dialogue 'colovian siegebreaker arbalest'"  <-- just doesn't sound Morrowind to me

OH, and I'm getting this in the canals:
Model Load Error: Meshes\TR\l\tr_l_cav_ray01.nif cannot load file in Meshes\TR\l\tr_l_cav_ray01.nif. Will use the default object Marker_Error.NIF.

NPCs without auto-calc: One

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NPCs without auto-calc:
One or two might be deliberate so that they will have the skill to equip their gear instead of Unarmored, but most are probably just the result of copying other NPCs, so the extra data is unnecessary bloat. Those with services should have autocalc only if their selection of services/barter types are the same as class default.

 

Full list of trainers in the file in case some are still unintended:

 

 

There are a few minor

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There are a few minor exterior edits that had been planned for this section but never carried out, in large part in the 2017-06-04 meeting:
-one issue was to provide convenient access to the resettlement offices, which could only be access via the battlements. This has already been fixed by adding an entrance at ground level, but the ground textures could still be changed to cobblestone to make the doorway seem a bit less isolated:

-the northwesternmost tower is the coastguard keep. That might seem a bit strange as it's the furthest tower from OE's docks. There was an idea of replacing the bell currently on top of the tower with a simple lighthouse beacon, roughly like so:

-a known issue but worth listing, the Talos statue is currently perched precariously on the gatehouse and needs to be given more solid footing.
-OE should also get a small field or two. Given performance concerns, the compromise that was reached at the meeting was to have empty patches of tilled dirt. I still advocate an approach like this:

Those are nine new references, and a smaller field with only four comberry bushes could also work for a total of seven refs. I think it's a worthwhile investment, and that if people are so concerned about the number of references it would be better to cut them elsewhere so that OE can have some kind of half-decent field.
-on which note, OE has a ton of active smokestacks, more than i think are aesthetically called for. They all correspond to lit fire in the interiors. If people are concerned about performance, I'd consider looking at interiors where the fire is relatively superfluous (the interior has otherwise good lighting, etc.), extinguishing some of those fires, and then removing the smoke activators in the exterior.

If those changes are not carried out next time the file is freed up, I intend to quickly grab the file to carry them out, though as the plants/wall around the field is not what was formerly agreed upon I would only implement the empty fields until folks express support for the idea.

I intend to claim this

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I intend to claim this tomorrow to implement the changes Rats has not already implemented.

As far as the fields are concerned, I'm somewhat going back on my word and intend to add the 7-9 refs. If someone finally does complain, they can easily be removed, but I think enough time has passed without complaint.

As discussed on Discord, I would also like to carry out some changes to OE's gatehouse, which would mostly involve shuffling references around and renaming cells, and is neatly illustrated by the below infographic:

Cell renames:
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Eastern Tower -> Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Command Post
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Garrison -> Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Garrison
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Western Tower -> Old Ebonheart, Customs
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Guard Towers -> Old Ebonheart, Gate Towers

A ground level entry will be added to 'Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Command Post', and the Legion questgiver will be moved over there, from his current hiding place in the garrison. The planks in front of the door will be moved aside.
Mort will add an NPC as shown who will check people leaving and entering Old Ebonheart, and I will add 'nothing fancy, just a book a desk and something over their head'.

Dropping. I've implemented

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Dropping. I've implemented the changes. It would be good if someone were to look over the file to make sure I didn't do something stupid again and break it.

Changelog, with CS progress images from Discord:
-added bank
-shoved neighbouring buildings aside (no rotation changes)
-murdered a tree
-textured road up to Ebon Tower Resettlement Office
-added space for customs official at the OE gates. NPC and ledger to be added by Mort or someone else
-added a small field with comberry outside the city
-killed a levelled creature and rock in the process
-renamed gatehouse cells as follows, after checking they were not referenced in scripts or anything:
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Eastern Tower -> Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Command Post
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Garrison -> Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Garrison
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Western Tower -> Old Ebonheart, Customs
Old Ebonheart, Gate: Guard Towers -> Old Ebonheart, Gate Towers
-added ground level door to Old Ebonheart, Imperial Guard Command Post, moving planks in the exterior to the side
-moved guard captain there from the garrison
-moved furniture around to work with the new floor plan
-removed platform unter Old Ebonheart, Customs exterior doorway for symmetry

Notes:
-would the new lighthouse fire actually be visible from ships? I guess to lookouts at any rate...
-might excessive light sources be a major contributing factor to OE's performance issues? I just noticed that a ton of doors have lanterns next to them, aside from other light sources.
-I haven't tested the changes in-game yet; I intend to do so tomorrow.
-I have checked pathgrids to make sure none got messed up.

To note: the tree placed in

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To note: the tree placed in Ebon Tower's courtyard no longer exists in Tamriel_Data and should be replaced with T_Cyr_FloraJM_Tree_01.

Changelog copied from other

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Changelog copied from other thread

 

 

Claiming when I get

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Claiming when I get confirmation nothing is broken, just ping me

To fix:
-Link an unlinked door to the Census Tower
-Change the wording on the Construction note to indicate the tower is still in use
-Clean up the tower for NPCing (unlocking some doors and removing statics - they will be readded in the NPC esp)
-Unlock door to Command Post barracks (for legion use)
-Lock Ebon Tower Gate to two rooms of free loot
-Lock the upper floor to Arkay's Tower until someone can figure out what to do with it (it's full of even more free loot)
-Rename Imperial Marines to Imperial Sailors (as per PT advice)
-Remove Imperial Sailors from the Coastguard building - to be added in another esp
-Demote the Admiral in OE to Commodore (as per PT advice)
-Move Aurelia Draconis to make the FG quest less frustrating (she blocks her own doors)
-Fix a black space in the Curia Vault that fails to obscure one of the secret rooms

Will only change if someone tells me I can, I think it's a good idea!
-Fake Armistice only tells you its a fake with > 70 int, otherwise the player has no idea
-Add a few dialogue variations for the Imperial Sailors

"-Fake Armistice only tells

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"-Fake Armistice only tells you its a fake with > 70 int, otherwise the player has no idea"

I would be against this, because I think it would make the fake Armistice bit of a cheap shot. If there's no warning of any kind at all, the player won't feel like they've been fooled -- they think we've cheated and made a bad design choice. What do others think?

Currently when the player examines the (fake) Armistice they get a message box saying:

"The Treaty appears to bear the signatures of both Tiber Septim and Vivec. It looks expensive and rather well preserved. Almost too good to be true..."  

if the player's Intelligence is 60 or above the message is different:

"The Treaty appears to bear the signatures of both Tiber Septim and Vivec. However, there's something about the scroll that makes you suspicious. Could this be some kind of a trick?"

and if the player is really clever, with an Intelligence score of 80 or above, the deduce that the treaty is not what it seems:

"The Treaty appears to bear the signatures of both Tiber Septim and Vivec. However, you have a strong feeling that this is not the real Treaty of the Armistice, but in fact a clever magical trap. It would be unwise to touch it."

In my personal idea of how

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In my personal idea of how this works, you wouldn't know its a fake unless you read one of the books talking about the armistice. There's absolutely no reason for someone to 'feel suspicious' looking at a scroll. There's no reason for someone to think 'sounds too good to be true....' given the situation. They could in real life, but that's something the player should think, not have it spelled out for them.

I think a 70 int "the paper appears to be fairly new" statement is a good compromise rather than 'you dont like the look of this! its a trap!'

Checking the file out 2-15-18

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Checking the file out 2-15-18, it says gnomey but it's me

todo (repost from above)
To fix:
-Link an unlinked door to the Census Tower  the door I intended to link doesn't face the correct direction. I moved the door and in the process remembered why I don't do interiors. I think there's a slight seam but overall looks pretty good
-Change the wording on the Construction note to indicate the tower is still in use
-Clean up the tower for NPCing (unlocking some doors and removing statics - they will be readded in the NPC esp)
-Unlock door to Command Post barracks (for legion use) not needed with Gnomey's rework of the gate
-Lock Ebon Tower Gate to two rooms of free loot
-Lock the upper floor to Arkay's Tower until someone can figure out what to do with it (it's full of even more free loot)
-Rename Imperial Marines to Imperial Sailors (as per PT advice) ID is kept as Imperial Marine, hopefully this doesn't confuse people but I wouldn't want it to screw up scripts at this point.
-Remove Imperial Sailors from the Coastguard building - to be added in another esp
-Demote the Admiral in OE to Commodore (as per PT advice)
-Move Aurelia Draconis to make the FG quest less frustrating (she blocks her own doors)
-Fix a black space in the Curia Vault that fails to obscure one of the secret rooms

dropped
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10yxoJIX_O5_qHNdfUEzM4JJZ2cDlrJDN

Grabbing the file shortly to

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Grabbing the file shortly to sort out some doors and maybe work on the bank exterior, which not everyone is happy with.

Fixed the doors of the census

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Fixed the doors of the census tower, implemented a new and probably final bank exterior, and did some light cleaning on the file. Someone who knows what they're doing should do a more thorough clean; aside from the usual dirty cells, I think some Tamriel_Data content might also be edited, but am not sure.